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Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by lankou on September 17, 2018, 03:30:23 PM »
I have to admit to despairing at some of the comments on this thread. It has taken years of campaigning by many people, me, and organisations to get the DWP to acknowledge that a claimant has a right under the law to have benefit related medicals/assessments sound recorded and videod. That is a right, it will not be comulsory.
It reasons for the campaign were to stop claimaints being "verballed," and whoever does the medicals/assessments from lying in the report to the DWP.

Benefits and Work have just posted this. (live links at link.)

No progress on PIP video recording or claim form improvements
Category: Latest news
 Created: 17 September 2018
The House of Commons Work and Pensions Committee has slammed the government for failing to make any progress on video recording PIP assessments or improving PIP and ESA claim forms, arguing that the DWP “still refuses to engage with the huge problems” connected with claiming the benefits.

Back in June of this year we highlighted a statement by Sarah Newton, Minister of State for Disabled People, who claimed that the DWP were about to pilot the videoing of PIP assessments. The intention was to make “. . . video recording of the PIP assessment a standard part of the process . . . We will be piloting videoing the assessment with a view to then rolling this out across Great Britain.”

Though this decision appeared to have been made without any form of consultation with claimants and, judging from the comments we have received, many would prefer audio recordings only.

The government gave assurances that they would carry out this work following a highly critical report on PIP and ESA by the Commons committee, which was based in part on an unprecedented number of responses from claimants to a call for evidence.

However, three months on and there is no sign of the pilot even having begun.

Nor is there any evidence of work being done on make the claim forms for PIP or ESA any more user-friendly, another undertaking given by the minister.

Whilst welcoming the latest response from the government, which they have published on their website, the Work and Pensions Committee is now asking for a detailed progress report on these issues.

Frank Field MP, Chair of the Committee, said:

"There is a welcome change of tone in this response which seems to finally begin to acknowledge the deep distress and difficulty PIP& ESA claimants have experienced.

“But that counts for little when it still refuses to engage with the huge problems in quality control—the reports riddled with errors and omissions, the huge numbers of overturned decisions, the outsourced contractors that rarely or never hit their targets—and when the pace of the change it is making is painfully slow.

“Claiming a benefit to which you are legitimately entitled should never be a humiliating, distressing experience. Government must move now, faster, to make this right."

You can read more on the parliament website.

Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by JLR2 on September 16, 2018, 09:32:26 PM »
Thanks Monic for letting me know of this as it is something that had not crossed my mind. As best I can remember I ticked the no boxes on my forms when it came to getting around in unfamiliar places or journeys.

Don't know what it is but I find myself feeling low tonight. I keep looking around my house trying to think of how/where to start tidying up the place. Every flat surface has clutter on it and all I seem able to do is move the clutter from one place to another. It's a nice enough wee house but the lack of storage cupboards has me looking to see where next I bang some nails in the walls to put up more shelves. I'd really like to create more floor space, you know see what the colour of my carpet is >biggrin<

Given the amounts of A4 paper I have, letters from the DWP, NHS and various others I need a filing cabinet (floor to ceiling)  Apart from the paper work I've masses of electrical wiring, chargers from old devices and USB cables all thrown into wee boxes and under the bed or in drawers and of course I experience the same problem as everyone else, that of never being able to find these cables when I go looking for one.

Maybe I'll think of something tomorrow.
The problem with a claimant going holiday is (wrongly in my opinion) that dwp portray that person as able to cope with changes, able to mobilise and able to deal with people.  If you have any points for mobility or social skills don’t mention holidays.  One person had delusions that they were on pilgrimage to 4 European countries and had convinced the gp they were going, none of it was true but the panel refused to give additional points for going unfamiliar places as they believe the claimant had been all over Europe.

Information is great but be careful how it’s presented
Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by JLR2 on September 16, 2018, 09:28:32 AM »
I suppose I'm just that little bit wary about things. As Monic was saying, ''fine if you have a good relationship with your GP''  it would only take my GP to, on being asked to carry out a wca assessment on me, to think of how I have over recent years been visiting Berlin 3 times a year for 4 weeks when he is knocking his pan in at his surgery and only managing the regular holiday breaks most folk in work manage.

In a roundabout way my friend's father passing away will help me reduce my visits to Berlin as my friend will be able to visit Scotland. Mind you having said that the way I'm hearing things in the news about UK/European flights, travel between the UK/Europe and passport validity following Brexit things might get a bit complicated visitor visas and the like.
I dont see why your GP would be annoyed about you going to Berlin. It is more likely that it is just a personal detail he knows about you and comes to at the end of the appointment.

Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by JLR2 on September 15, 2018, 06:10:41 PM »
Hi Sunshine, my GP has a habit of asking me following my appointment ending when I'm heading off to Berlin, I hope he's not annoyed about my visiting Berlin.
Good thread with a lot to read  >tah< I am not able to read everything on the links but all the same it is good to have them easily accessible.

I agree with Monic that when people view the same piece of video they wont necessarily make the same conclusions about what happened and why? However, as long as there is an opt out option it might make some claimants feel less upset about the assessment process and more confident about the outcome.


What you said about the car park is interesting because my understanding is our assessments start as soon as we leave our homes eg can we manage the journey. I am pretty sure when I had my first ESA assessment the assessor watched me from the point of arriving in the car, getting out of the car and into the building. ALso I have mentioned noticing a large floor two wave mirror in the waiting before and most of us know things live how long you can site in a hard chair were being assessed as you waited.

Monic ,

The Scottish government is getting control of PIP and wants local practitioners to do the medicals - fine if you have a good relationship with your GP but we have several who despise their clients - bi polar people parked on methadone with no access to mental health treatment or assessment.  GP's are overwhelmed with medical work never mind doing dwp assessments

Good point  >star< GPs already have patients who end up talking to them about their worry over their upcoming PIP or ESA claim. I have found myself asking about it even though I have yet to be called in for the PIP transfer.
Cafe / Re: Word Association Game
« Last post by huhn on September 15, 2018, 12:35:37 PM »
break down
Cafe / Re: Word Association Game
« Last post by Sunshine Meadows on September 15, 2018, 09:41:48 AM »
Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this
« Last post by JLR2 on September 14, 2018, 09:51:59 PM »
Yet another wee thought, under the previous non videoed assessments it was down to the assessor to write his/her report and that would, in theory at least, be based on what s/he learnt in the course of the assessment. With a video recording of an assessment might there be a chance that rather than the assessment being based on the assessment assessor's opinion alone, it is put before other assessors, say 2 or 3 assessors, where they decide between them what they think should be the claimant's assessment outcome?  Just a thought.
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