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Monic1511

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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2013, 07:20:14 PM »
lostfamily - if you are going to see a specialist next week then I'd suggest that you take a copy of the support group descriptors to the appointment, ask the specialist if they can write a letter saying that your husband meets a specific criteria.   You would then attach that to a letter saying "I wish to ask for a reconsideration of the decision to place me in the WRAG, my condition has detiorated and I believe I meet this descriptor."


On another point you said that if hubby gets placed in SG he could remain in that till his state pension is due, I think you'll find that support group claimants get reviewed and can be returned to the wrag after each review. :-(

As for pension credit if your joint income is below 222.05 per week (this years figure) then you could be due penion credit, so please don't dismiss it without it being checked first.

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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2013, 08:31:43 AM »
Thank you Monic, where can i find the support group descriptors
I know that he would be review until he retires but i do feel that it a bit stupid you met their criteria all these years & now they saying he could improve just on a age thing it a fact of life you will deteriorate as you get older so we both know he won't improve but he get worse how fast or slow that can be the difference but he won't improve only manage his conditions  Thanks Again

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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2013, 08:35:10 AM »
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where can i find the support group descriptors

First post in this thread  >thumbsup<

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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2013, 12:14:35 PM »
I thought I'd make mention of one aspect of the appeals procedure that came as a little surprise to me (I didn't think of it at first)  this relates to what happens whilst an appeal is on-going. I was in the wrag grouping and had made an appeal, my appeal was successful and I was then put into the Support group however my date for being seen as being in the Support group was read as being from when I was put into wrag grouping which saw me being informed I would be reassessed by March next year.

I only learnt about this due to another ESA50 landing on my doormat too early due to a mistake at the DWP, so others may find that they only have a few weeks between being awarded Support group status before they find themselves filling in another ESA50. I tried to mention this at the time it happened but for well known reasons I was posted to the Eastern front or as it is known 'Gardening leave'  :-)

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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2013, 11:36:33 PM »
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I only learnt about this due to another ESA50 landing on my doormat too early due to a mistake at the DWP, so others may find that they only have a few weeks between being awarded Support group status before they find themselves filling in another ESA50

This has been mentioned before by other people but it is worth reiterating  >thumbsup<

Congratulations on getting put in the Support group do you still have a reassessment date of March 2014 or is it unknown?

I never asked for mine because knowing it will mean I worry more, and it is not like I can do anything about the outcome except fill in the next ESA50

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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2013, 02:42:50 PM »
While our GP done a letter the specialist said if they write to him he do it but won't do one for us to send

lostfamily - if you are going to see a specialist next week then I'd suggest that you take a copy of the support group descriptors to the appointment, ask the specialist if they can write a letter saying that your husband meets a specific criteria.   You would then attach that to a letter saying "I wish to ask for a reconsideration of the decision to place me in the WRAG, my condition has detiorated and I believe I meet this descriptor."


On another point you said that if hubby gets placed in SG he could remain in that till his state pension is due, I think you'll find that support group claimants get reviewed and can be returned to the wrag after each review. :-(

As for pension credit if your joint income is below 222.05 per week (this years figure) then you could be due penion credit, so please don't dismiss it without it being checked first.

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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2013, 07:32:38 PM »
Hi
"While our GP done a letter the specialist said if they write to him he do it but won't do one for us to send"   That is typical just now but the dwp will not write to him & he only wants dwp to write to him because he is guaranteed a fixed payment for the work.   just go with what the GP provided
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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2013, 09:01:19 AM »
Thanks that what we done plus sent in other reports & results

Hi
"While our GP done a letter the specialist said if they write to him he do it but won't do one for us to send"   That is typical just now but the dwp will not write to him & he only wants dwp to write to him because he is guaranteed a fixed payment for the work.   just go with what the GP provided
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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2014, 07:45:37 PM »
hello there
i have just stumbled upon your informative site

I have found myself in the wrag and not the support group i think i sshould be in

I went for an appeal last week to see if i could be paced in the support group as i had written and been declined.

the appeal was unsuccessful as i went alone and it looked like i was very able to go out alone.

I had no medical  notes or back up and didnt even know which  questions i was going to be asked,
i should have researched but ive been too ill to look at papers

i didnt fit into any of the categories i quickly scanned through so i did not pass.

However when i got home and checked out the questions again i see i am actually  aable to fulfil a few of those categories.

can i reappeal?
will they think im lying because i didnt say at the time?

I found the questions difficult in so far as how can a mentally ill person tell someone that they arnt aware of harmfull= and dangerous situations, because when one is this way one thinks  one is ok and not in danger so this is what i said, but if a doctor came to see me as a day in my life they would see how bad i am!

I cannt face interviews and prospects of work

please can anyone advise me?
Thankyou
Elizabeth xx

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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2014, 09:12:42 PM »
Elizabetha
you can't appeal the tribunal decision, you would need to take these steps to challenge the decision
1, write and request a statement of reasons from the Tribunal service
2. when you get the statement of reasons you will need to find an error in law.
3. If you find an error in law you then write to the upper tribunal asking for the decision to be set aside.
4. If the upper tribunal commissioner agrees with you that the original tribunal made an error in law they can redirect the tribunal to be reheard.

As for your appeal last week - why did you not have representation?   Did the tribunal ask you about this and if they did ask did you agree to go ahead without representation?

If all that seems too much its time to seek assistance from either welfare rights (often employed by councils) citizens advice bureau or a charity that deals with your health problems.

You first need to look at the support group criteria and get medical evidence that back that up.   read the criteria and deceide which one you meet, then ask the doctors if they agree that you meet the criteria.   If you get the evidence then its time to contact the dwp and ask for another ESA50 to be sent - be warned this could mean another medical and a possible found fit to work decision, so less than 15 points.    you then complete the ESA50 again and try again for the suppport group.

Being in the wrag does not mean that you need to go for interviews or for jobs.

you really need to get specialist advice as its hard to advise specific cases on a public forum and may also lead to possible identification.

best wishes
Monic

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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2014, 08:53:49 AM »
I don't know if you could ask for a review by filling in a new ESA50
My husband is waiting on a hearing date for an appeal & have been since August
I had asked for a review also & again waiting for that to happen he has deteriorated since first filling the ESA50 form back in October 2012 so a new one was filled in August 2013 i did have a good reason to get them to do it also as i had asked back in June & they never did so had a good case for that the appeal has been requested since March 2013 they looked at it & said no so we went ahead with the appeal
So even if you can't do much about this decision you can reapply i would think i am sure someone with more knowledge can say

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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2014, 05:41:15 PM »
Hi
Elizabetha has had a decision dated last week say 16/01/14 which has confirmed that she only meets the wrag critieria.   To get this decision reviewed she would either follow the step regarding a set aside or Phone the DWP and tell them that her condition has deteriorated since 17/01/14 which is after the date of the tribunal.   If you notify the DWP of a change or deterioration in your health then they are meant to send out another ESA50 to get extra evidence,  as Elizabetha has an open claim for ESA she can't make a fresh claim for ESA(reapply).   

Lost familiy when you say "you can reapply " if you mean you can reapply to get into the support group then yes you can but you need to be aware that if a decision has been made within the last 12 weeks the dwp will typically use the medical evidence from that decision unless you provide additional evidence showing a substantial deterioration.

Its probably me but I'm confused by the dates you gave re your hubby
filled in form Oct 2012
review requested june 2013
another esa50 August 2013
now waiting on an appeal date

is that right?

will check back later & maybe I'll be sensible then
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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2014, 07:31:18 PM »
Thanks what is happening with my husband was he is in the WRAG but we appealed for him to go in to the support this was March 2013, in the mean while i contacted them & was told he could ask for a review even while we wait for them to look at the decision which they was but declined that so that why it is going to appeal
We asked for the review which instead of doing it they pass it over to the people who was looking at the decision so August we found out that so we reapplied for a review filling in a new ESA50 form & we are still waiting on that
At no time up to this point has my husband had a face to face medical he had to interviews at the job centre both times he been told that they don't expect him to work or look for work, his benefit will stop at the beginning of April
I hope i made it clearer

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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2014, 11:02:15 PM »
Hi Lostfamily
Thanks I understand whats happening to you now,  re "his benefit will stop at the beginning of April" as he is in the wrag his entitlement to contributions based ESA WRAG will end but before that he will need to apply for income related ESA WRAG,  the problem there is it is means tested and as you probably know your income is taken into account.   Even if you end up with nothing I'd request an "ESA3" form about mid February and if you get any council tax reductions or housing benefit notify them of the drop in income, if you don't get these already then apply as you may then be due them.

Good luck & take care
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Re: ESA Support Group Criteria
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2014, 02:45:26 PM »
Thanks Monica
We know we can't get any help as he gets a small pension as he was retired on ill health & as we just manage to pay up our mortgage we won't get any help not even with council tax i don't think (will check) also we need to wait for the process to go through so we know that we not getting his money rather than it stops & then back dated it