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Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by JLR2 on September 20, 2018, 08:06:20 PM »
''If this sounds stupid and paranoid''

Far from it Stevie, I used FB for a very short contact with a mate in Berlin and very quickly closed down and removed the account from them as I too do not like the way FB harvests users info. Heck I don't even use my Co-op card as I'm tired of hearing about the way they track customers purchasing histories.

''This leads me to think that videoing might assumed by the DWP to be a way of weeding out the (very small) number claimants who are laying it on to get money they are not entitled to''

Sunshine that has me thinking of footage shown on a BBC investigative programme, of which the name escapes me, which showed WCA assessors talking about assessments they had carried out. In what I saw the assessors were happily mocking some of those they had assessed. I could imagine Atos assessors sitting around a monitor laughing at a claimant as they are made to perform various circus tricks during an assessment. Perhaps a wheelchair user being asked to mobilise around the room out of their wheelchair or having them attempt to pick up a large box from the floor.

There could also be situations where rather than just the assessor completing his/her assessment report on the basis of what s/he has seen and heard s/he plays the recording to other assessors asking their opinions. I feel without a doubt the appearance of claimants at assessment will carry a lot of weight in the reported opinion of the assessor provided to the DWP decision maker.
its not stupid or paranoid, its personal preference,  I have just had a fight with one of the church section leaders as he wants to take pictures of the choir for a publication and put photos on facebook, I refused to have my picture take and if I see any with me in them I report them to FB and get them taken down.  I never gave permission for my image to be posted on a public platform.
Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by SteveX on September 20, 2018, 12:44:36 PM »
I can understand why a lot of people would like this but speaking personally I would not, I do not want to be recorded video or audio.
I'm a very private person and I don't even use facebook/twitter or own a smartphone because I don't want companies logging my data and recording things I do or send.  heck, I've been 'online' since the late 90's and to this day I've not uploaded a single image of myself and never will.    If this sounds stupid and paranoid, then that's fine but it's the way I am.

Yes it can feel like that is what it comes down to however whilst I was away I did visit other groups where there are more people saying they got PIP. The people who manage the groups encourage members to post their outcomes whatever they are.

It can be difficult to get a balance between talking about DWP, Government and individual assessors wrongdoing and making sure we dont add to the stress by me failing to mention that things can go smoothly for some people.
Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by lankou on September 19, 2018, 11:42:05 AM »

The first happened in the early 1990's, the assessor's report made a comment in relation to my appearance, ''The claimant appeared rather unkempt in his appearance''

How a claimant looks can affect the points you might get because it speaks to at least a couple of things. Please don't think this is directed at you personally.

- is the claimant physically able to keep themself clean and tidy.
- is the claimant socially aware of the the need to be clean and tidy in public/social situations.

If I got to an assessment with a hairstyle and colour that is high maintenance it might be assumed that I can go to the hairdressers frequently, so can manage in social situations and with my head being moved around eg blow drying and straightening. On the flip side I know if I don't condition and use styling products on my hair it turns into a frizzy birds nest and makes me look unwell. This leads me to think that videoing might assumed by the DWP to be a way of weeding out the (very small) number claimants who are laying it on to get money they are not entitled to. I say this because body language plays a big part of who we each are.


One good thing about having a video of the assessment is it should be more difficult for the DWP to create an artificial intelligence to decide who gets what  >yikes< >erm< ;-)

Thank you for posting more information about this, it is good to know being recorded is not going to be compulsory.

I had not heard that the possibility of assessments being videoed was being looked at so my initial thoughts came from personal experience and the fact I would not like being videoed. Of course this does not mean I would say no one else should be able to choose that option.

JLR and Monic made some good points  >thumbsup<

Are you able to tell me if the videos of the claimants are going to be used for training purposes, in the same way a call to customer service can be?
Small correction making now not underlining added by me- Sunshine

I understand why folk want them recorded, itís supposed to be a fail safe, what I wonder is how the recording would be used. DM donít watch recordings unless theyíre in the fraud unit. They have extensive caseloads and are pressured to make a decision. Next stage at mr will the second dm watch it and read the comments ďx walked 35m to interview room without stopping ď. And reply with walked with no apparent difficulty, would be reasonable to asssume can walk 200mĒ.

Next stage is appeal panels, Iíve had people bring X-rays , mobile phone footage of their childís behaviour and panels refuse to consider it as the X-ray canít be copied and the footage could be of anyone filmed at any time.

How do you assess hidden disabilities like E, diabetes etc and as you mentioned how will the assessor in Cardiff understand the responses given by a Geordie or Glaswegian .

I still believe the criteria is the first part of the problem, yes assessments are flawed, I read plenty of them and we have a list of repeat offenders which our boss feeds back. If your assessment is inaccurate then complain. By not complaining you give it the veneer of credibility.   One appeal judge starts his appeal with ď is the assessment report a true and accurate record yes or noĒ if you say no his next comment is have you complained? Eh, no, then he assumes that it must be true else youíd have complained.  I know thatís wrong but thatís the angle he takes after all you have put the effort into taking your case to appeal.
Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by JLR2 on September 18, 2018, 09:59:46 PM »
Monic, recording assessments really ought never to have been something that folk found themselves calling for and I feel only came about through the chalk and cheese differences in the assessments experienced by claimants and the report put to decision makers. This might come over as a bit daft but I was thinking had the DM's to been given assessments which truly reflected the original assessments they would have been in a far better position to come to fair decisions and many people would not have faced the nightmare they have.

It is all too easy for me to talk of recorded assessments as some sort of cure for bad/poor assessment reporting but as I'm typing away it crosses my mind that although I can hear clearly my thoughts how my accent or spoken word may sound in a recording could lead to some folk trying to work out what I'm saying might not be so easy. I have experienced problems trying to understand my own sister at times when we have been talking on the phone.

A while back I was invited to chat on BBC Radio Scotland's phone in and as is my habit I recorded my tuppence-worth, well when I played it back after the call I sounded terrible, certainly nowhere near as clear as it did in my own head during the phone call. So how things might sound in a WCA recording could likewise not be quite as clear as I'd like to think it was.
JLR2 I think it must be me who has caused the despair as I havenít been overwhelmingly upbeat about recording assessments but my view point is that of a representative at appeals.
Maybe Iíll get an explanation and then I can explain my comments.  >dove<
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