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Dic Penderyn

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GP's Can't write sick notes'
« on: November 19, 2011, 11:50:32 AM »
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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2011, 01:37:33 PM »
So basically the government don't trust gp's to do fit notes correctly, but trust them with tens of billions of pounds of NHS money. Nice to know that all the thousands of hours and tens of thousands of pounds spent training up each of our gp's was well spent, as they are now becoming very well paid administrative officers!
As for who will run the assessments it will, no doubt, be a company such as Atos or G4S who will be told to find any way to force people back to work and who will be paid many millions to do this.
As for those who are not miraculously cured by Atos/G4S etc and who do actually manage to satisfy the criteria for being off for more than a month, given the government's obsession that everyone must be productive, then I expect many more people with long term illness to be sacked.....before appearing in front of Atos again and being told that they do not qualify for ESA!

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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2011, 01:38:58 PM »
Really scary..how many actually too sick to work people will end up being found fit to work  now ..bet more than before and that people will end up sicker than before.

What does it say about Governments opinons of the abilitiesof gps  if they dont trust them to do their jobs properly why should we ?

Will the new assessors actually have medical training and occupational health experience ? Will they be aware of what help is and isnt actually available to enable  sick/disabled people to work or will they presume that help is available that actually isnt?

Im angry and scared and im going back to bed!
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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2011, 01:47:30 PM »
Lord Freud talks of 'wasted lives', referring to those signed off long-term...

No, you stupid little man, a real 'wasted life' is someone found fit for work when they're not and as a consequence their condition(s) worsen and perhaps they even take their own lives at the end of despair....

Last month I saw my GP for an annual health check and I asked her about whether she was going to grill me on what work I might be able to do, having heard that GPs were being ordered by Government to 'push' work readiness - and she was most emphatic that she would not be doing any such thing.  'It's nothing to do with me', she said, 'I look after your health, so please don't worry about that'.

A person's own GP is the best professional placed to give an opinion on fitness (or not) for work as they have all the records and know the patient.  Perhaps that's what Lord Freud and Co are so afraid of!

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2011, 02:02:11 PM »
Think you're spot on there Kiz
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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2011, 02:22:19 PM »
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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2011, 02:54:42 PM »
Very true, Kiz. Given that to claim SSP, you must get a fit note, therefore, GP is trusted, why is it different for ESA?

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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2011, 03:35:11 PM »
"As for who will run the assessments it will, no doubt, be a company such as Atos or G4S who will be told to find any way to force people back to work."


Because of course there are millions of jobs going spare and anyone who wants employment can step into a fulfilling career any time they want. Being unwell or disabled won't stop you getting one of these jobs and employers will be pleased to take you on.

It's a money-saving exercise, pure and simple. But they will never admit that. Why tell the truth when you can stigmatise already-vulnerable sections of society while you're doing it. Scum. Absolute scum.

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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2011, 06:00:11 PM »
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Welfare Reform Minister Lord Freud said that once employees were put on long-term sick leave, they were left without help .... for up to six months
How strange. It used to be that their GP, nurses etc. could be called upon to help. Even 999 services!

But of course as the Government and its Unum-led advisors had already made clear, once someone's not actually "working" -- as in, at their place of employment -- they cease to have any identity at all; ie. become absolute non-persons, with no reason to live. 
Therefore, by logical extension of the corporate "it's all in the mind" assertion about illness: people too ill or incapacitated to profit-enhancingly "work" might as well not exist... do not exist... or at least should not exist.....

Has the Michael Howard re-definition of the word "help" (used by Freud) got into the dictionaries yet?

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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2011, 07:52:12 PM »
Of course the kind of help being talked about is kind of like helping some one to learn to swim by throwing them in at the deep end of the pool and letting them either drown or swim.
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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2011, 12:59:55 AM »
I thought that this government had a policy to cut down on the number of different publicly-funded organisations that society had.

And here they are proposing a new one. 

If they are staffed by medical advisors where will they get them from?  I thought that there was so much difficulty finding enough GP's and nurses etc that we are recruiting from the developing countries, taking their medical specialists away.  Maybe there is a surplus number of medics in China?

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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2011, 01:03:02 PM »
Careful auntie, don't give them ideas.   They'll want to try video consultations with a "Medical Professional" in China.


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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2011, 01:08:25 PM »
I dont understand this at all because I thought companies had HR departments which were suppose to help employees when they need to be off sick and also when they return to work.

One the face of it the Fit Note system that came in last year can help people keep their jobs because it is supposed to encourage a employer to let the employee do light duties until they are fit enough to return to work. That being said whatever regulations or processes are put into place if the government continues to squeeze sick and disabled people like they are, what sort of example is that setting to employers.

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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2011, 01:17:49 PM »
Suspect that soon there will be a Government/Unum/CBI campaign
instructing the public that stress is good for people.
Except of course for fatcats.

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Re: GP's Can't write sick notes'
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2011, 04:53:07 PM »
I'm starting to think that maybe I should have put a warning triangle on this thread as it seems to have caused some distress which was not my intention.
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