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NeuralgicNeurotic

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Re: Vitamin B12.
« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2017, 07:34:36 AM »
You could try to make some money out of the situation by charging people:

10 for each time they claim vitamins  or yoga will cure you

50 for each time they claim a gluten-free diet will cure you

100 for each time they claim 'a positive attitude will go a long way towards curing you'

500 for each time they claim stopping your medication will cure you

1000 if they claim 'it's all in your head'

(above idea shamelessly stolen from elsewhere on the net).

Or, you could just start singing loudly every time someone claims they can cure you. If your voice is as bad as mine, they'll probably pay you to stop.

>Edited to add missing word.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2017, 01:58:22 PM by NeuralgicNeurotic »

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Re: Vitamin B12.
« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2017, 01:07:02 PM »
"Doctors do get things wrong sometimes. They've done it with me before. But you know, I'd still rather trust them than someone with no medical qualifications at all"

I tried to explain to my doctor once how much I trust him and he got the wrong end of the stick.  I told him I could get any meds I wanted online but that what I couldn't get elsewhere was professional advice I could trust.  He wasn't paying attention and the next time I saw him appeared to think I just go shopping online for as much as I want of whatever I want and ignore his advice, presumably having just focussed on the 'I can get online' bit not the 'it's your advice I value' bit.  I tried to explain again that that was the opposite of what I was saying, but he may not have liked how I expressed myself because I tried to explain that I know that for the sort of problems I have, it's not a question of a simple, perfect solution, but that on balance, over the years, taking his advice has paid off.  If he and I weren't both from religious backgrounds where people don't gamble, maybe I could have expressed it in betting odds or something.

So when I found out about the vitamin A thing, I didn't just go off and do my own thing, I phoned him, explained the situation (which he didn't know about because I went direct to the eye clinic about my eye problems and evidently they hadn't told him anything about the night-blindness) and asked him whether what I thought might be happening was possible and he advised me accordingly.  But it was phrased as a question and did refer to research, so if he'd said I was barking up the wrong tree I'd have been inclined to trust him, albeit not without a polite argument to ensure he'd followed my reasoning.  Since I try not to waste his time, he's tolerant of this sort of thing.

Incidentally, as regards what patients know, (and off on a tangent) have you heard of the project whereby some researchers into prescription drugs have now started doing research based on people's searches.  I saw a TED talk on it.  The speaker said that initially they'd had difficulty getting the info they wanted but that Microsoft is helping. 

You see, when they test a new drug for safety, they usually test using it on its own, and there's a limit to how many side-effects they test for, but what they can pick up on from searches is whether lots and lots of people search for "drug-A drug-B symptom-A" or "drug A symptom-A symptom-B".   Then they find out other things worth researching.


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Re: Vitamin B12.
« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2017, 05:14:06 AM »
Normally the only people who need regular B12 injections are vegetarians and vegans - those who do not eat meat.



B12 injections are prescription only no GP is going to issue a B12 prescription just because someone is a vegetarian or vegan.

Of course not, and a vegetarian and vegan need regular blood tests.  The GP will then issue a prescription for a B12 injection which is given by the surgery nurse, usually once a month.  Not by the patient themselves.

Sublingual B12 tablets have a much lower amount and do not need a prescription - or a blood test for that matter, as they are classed as an OTC vitamin.


I've been vegetarian for 30-odd years & don't have any B12 supplements - I have blood tests ordered by my GP once a year as part of the standard annual patient review + tests every 2-3 months by a hospital (to do with an immunosuppressant I take).  None of them, as far as I know, are looking for B12 & I don't know why they would.  I'm not vegan.   >confusedgif<
 

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Re: Vitamin B12.
« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2017, 07:54:06 AM »
Vitamin B12 should be part of the full blood count test. Do they not do that one? Might be worth asking for one next time they're taking blood. One extra vial and it may put your mind at rest. I take a daily A-Z  Vitamin and Mineral tablet as well as a calcium and vitamin D tablet twice daily so I think I should be okay now without needing tests.


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Re: Vitamin B12.
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2017, 09:22:24 AM »
I'm borderline lacking in B12.  Both my father, and some of his relatives had pernicious anaemia.  My dad had injections of B12 all his life. None of them were vegetarians, or, vegans.  It's  an autoimmune disease, and can be hereditary, as it is in My family. 

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Re: Vitamin B12.
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2017, 03:11:53 PM »
oh my daughter in law  found the reason while my  children have disabilities, it must come from falling on their heads >run< >run< >run< >run< >run< >run< >run<

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Re: Vitamin B12.
« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2017, 08:34:13 PM »
FBC probably is one of the things they do, Fiz - I'm quite happy with the idea that if there's a good reason to suspect deficiency of certain things, doctors will test for it & if I'm not going to them with suspicious symptoms, they won't. >biggrin<  I have quite a few blood tests due to taking immuno-suppressants, as well as the GP's annual check. 
I'm on the twice daily calcium/ vitamin D things too & sometimes take iron supplements if I notice I'm creeping towards being anaemic (one of the regular tests is for Hb & it's usually fine).