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Learning about History is never boring, especially if it gives the "little people" some power, understanding and a reason to band together against those who have more power and resources who wish to strip people of everything that they have in this world in order to evict them from this earthly plane of existence.
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Welfare Rights / Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
« Last post by Sunny Clouds on April 21, 2018, 01:21:59 PM »
Please, please, please if you don't get it, don't go into meltdown like I did.  I got kind emotional support here to pick myself up and apply for a reconsideration and prepare for an appeal, but you can get that by not hitting rock bottom like I did.

Prepare yourself for the possibility you'll need to ask for a reconsideration or even appeal whilst reminding yourself that there's a good chance you won't have to and that if you do, you're plugged in here to sources of information and help to get through the system to get what you're entitled to.

Also, if you don't get it, be prepared for absurd reasons.  Please don't let that fry your brain like I did, it's good because it makes appealing easier if their reasoning is nonsense.

I.e. if you don't get it at this stage, there are more bites of the cherry, so there's a safety net. Hope for now and hope for later.
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Welfare Rights / Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
« Last post by bub1 on April 21, 2018, 10:55:18 AM »
Fiz I think like you to. Lol
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The positive thing for us is that with the internet, we can find out lots of information and be in with a better chance of applying for or maybe getting help, whether it's what we're entitled to or what people might give us kindly.

The sad thing is that help for people that can't dig out the information is harder to get.  It can also be hard for some people to ask for it. It's particularly problematic if you either can't use a computer or don't have access to one.  Cuts to libraries, advice services, social worker numbers, legal aid etc. all leave lots of people not getting what they should.
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Welfare Rights / Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
« Last post by Fiz on April 21, 2018, 09:43:34 AM »
I wouldn't necessarily go on what other people's awards are. There is a variation of awards depending on who the DWP decision maker is. I know this because the DWP representative who attended my DLA tribunal said so. He said my previous award was incorrect and that their decision maker had decided I should receive the highest DLA care award. Which when questioned by the judge, the DWP admitted that their decision maker had made an error. So let's hope you get a nice decision maker! I think they've gone to a lot of trouble to see you at home given your evidence and I'd be very surprised if you weren't given an award anyway. I tend to think the worst myself too though. That way things can't be any worse than you expect so you protect yourself from any disappointment. It's a defence mechanism that I use all the time.
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Not at all boring Sunny, that's the first time I've read anything like what you have posted there. When you mentioned, ''we'll be back to the dissolution of the monasteries''  I have the feeling you're not far off the truth of things.

I did learn, only recently, that a moan of mine re the government's determination that we are all living longer and should therefore work longer before reaching state pension entitlement.

My moan concerned the fact that my mother having only reached 60 years old and qualified for her pension before dying as a result of cancer, I was asking what happens to the pension my mum should have been able to claim for at least 10 years if the government are sure to the point of changing pension entitlements that everyone is living 10 years longer. Well it seems there is in the pension system a provision for this to be paid. In the system it is known as 'Widows pension credit'  and due to there being a change in the system made recently where the period of payment has been cut from indefinite to, I think, 6 months. So as far as I know my Dad will be getting this benefit paid as part of his pension.

Yup, ah don't know it all but then you awe knew that didn't you?  >biggrin<
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Welfare Rights / Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
« Last post by bub1 on April 20, 2018, 09:00:48 PM »
I donít expect to get it as I know people who are worst than me didnt get it.
It doesnít matter how nice they were. At least I was treated with respect regardless of outcome
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Welfare Rights / Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
« Last post by bub1 on April 20, 2018, 08:33:31 PM »
At least it wonít be long now to find out my fate.
I meant to say that I did also give him a copy of a letter I received last Saturday from one of my consultants with results of my X-ray for hands and feet saying that they had deteriorated considerably in a short time. So that came in handy.
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May I be crude about charities as an arm of government?  That's what they were originally meant to be.

Ok there follows my bog-standard spiel on the history of the welfare state and where charities fit in.  The history basically revolves around money and tax. Scroll on by if it's too long or you've read it before. 

It's snapshots of 5 periods of history, and interwoven strands of tax and welfare.  By welfare I mean, very generally things like relief of poverty, health/nursing care, education etc. 

Medieval times.  The welfare state was essentially provided by the church, including the monasteries.  If you'd got any money to spare you gave it to the church to help others.  When a man died, he couldn't leave anything to his wife because women couldn't inherit, but he could give money to the church when alive so they'd look after his wife and kids.  Lawyers came up with an inheritance dodge whereby a man could give money to a male friend when alive, for the 'use' of his wife and kids.

Henry VIII.  Henry was greedy.  He wanted his brother's wife and it was a perfect excuse to sever links with Rome, and for what's usually called the dissolution of the monasteries but which was basically the seizure of the monasteries.  However, in the process, he effectively destroyed the welfare state.  Meanwhile, he really wasn't happy with the death tax dodge called the use, so he legislated it away.  Lawyers got clever so wealthy men gave money to a friend to the use of a friend to the use of the family.  The first use dropped out, and the second worked, as it were.   Henry's lawyers had another go at abolishing uses so the lawyers got to work and came up with a death tax dodge called the 'trust' which meant that the male friend would look after the money for the family and spend it on them.  Henry died before his lawyers could draft more laws to stop that dodge.

Elizabeth.  She wasn't about to re-establish all the monasteries, but her lasting legacy is what's known as the Statute of Elizabeth, which created what we know as charities, which are a form of trust for specific purposes like care of the sick, education, relief of poverty etc.  Like the trusts invented in Henry's day, they bypassed the biggest taxes, i.e. death taxes.   I.e. she forfeited some of her death tax income to re-create a rather patchy welfare state.

Victorian times.  It became quite trendy for very rich people to engage in very visible philanthropy, especially buildings.  They used these nice charitable trusts to set up libraries and hospitals and schools etc. or to donate to them.  Some rich men left their huge family homes and land for public use.  This continued into the 20th century.  Charities were often used for quite small things and to this day the majority of charities aren't big, well-known bodies, and if you try to get a charitable grant somewhere, you can find something like Wossisname Trust named after Sir Thingummy Wossisname.   However, the big thing to note is that trusts, including charitable trusts, whilst effectively acting as a very basic welfare state, were essentially tax dodges.  In terms of welfare state, they were also supplemented by entities like mutuals, some of which were later transformed into insurance companies.

Now.  We've got a public 'welfare state'.  Well, we've still got part of it.  But it seized lots of those charitable buildings and facilities and clinics, so once it's all privatised, we won't be back to the day before the creation of the modern welfare state, we'll be back to the dissolution of the monasteries.  Meanwhile, charities have become not just vehicles for transferring monies in a tax-efficient way to provide certain specific types of service, they've become, in some cases, campaigning and representative bodies.  But don't let's kid ourselves.  They weren't set up for that.  There is no legal requirement for a charity to be 'nice' or 'kind'.


In short, charities were set up as a form of welfare state, funded by Elizabeth I in the form of her forgoing death taxes on them.  In the centuries that followed, the people most likely to set them up were rich and influential people with connections.  Charities as not part of the welfare state are a modern concept and not of the essence of them.  We rely on them to stand up for us but that's a modern twist.

Here endeth the boring historical treatise.
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Welfare Rights / Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
« Last post by Fiz on April 20, 2018, 06:13:58 PM »
Brilliant, again that's very positive.
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