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I know there are only a handful of us posting but surely you should have heard comments like this already as the campaign was set up.

I was have been campaigning against the sham assessment since before they started to be used. If you can remember that far back charities for disabled people were all for the assessments for some time before the realised they had been sold a pig in a poke.
I made contributions to the government "consultation" at the tiem and there were also heated written exchanges between myself and Peter Lilley because I could see the assessments were going to be a sham before they started to be used.
So over 28 years on you can see why I am disappointed.
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I am despairing at the comments on this thread.

Are you despairing because the comments are related to aspects the campaign had not expected?

I know there are only a handful of us posting but surely you should have heard comments like this already as the campaign was set up. What was the old groups campaign slogan 'Nothing for us without us.' ?

The more we talk the more we learn  >dove<
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Lankou, I cannot get where you are coming from,.

That I am afraid is the problem. Video and audio recording with embedded time stamps will stop the current problems of verballing of claimants and the lies in reports.
(That is why the DWP and the contractors are so opposed to it.)
I am despairing at the comments on this thread.
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Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by JLR2 on September 22, 2018, 06:58:30 PM »
''Frankly I don't knoiw why I have been bothering about this issue for a very long time, as I appear to have been wasting my time.''

Lankou, I cannot get where you are coming from, none of us on here are against the  audio recording of 'all' WCA assessments and always have been mainly due to the seriously inaccurate assessments provided by the likes of Atos. It was not so long ago that Atos and similar assessment providers were fighting tooth and nail against providing recording of assessments, at one point telling claimants they could only have their assessment recorded if they themselves provided Police quality dual recorded recordings. The change in things has come about through the involvement of visual recording of claimants and the concerns that such recordings bring to the whole assessment issue.
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Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by lankou on September 22, 2018, 06:46:15 PM »
''ANY breach of confidentialty by either the DWP or a contractor is a VERY serious criminal offence.''

Given we've now seen a group found guilty of an underreporting of a 100,000 spend in the EU referendum fined 400 I doubt the DWP would give a, 4 letter word, about a claimant's confidentiality being breached. Perhaps were such breaches to carry a mandatory prison sentence of no less than a year the DWP might pay heed.

Talking of security were the DWP to be subjected to a ransom-ware attack the damage to the UK benefits system would be catastrophic, in the main for claimants.


Frankly I don't knoiw why I have been bothering about this issue for a very long time, as I appear to have been wasting my time.
The recordings will be protected by patient confidentiality. They will also be protected by the law and anyone breaking it could be subject  to a length jail sentence. (As several police officers have found out.)
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Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by JLR2 on September 22, 2018, 04:24:10 PM »
''ANY breach of confidentialty by either the DWP or a contractor is a VERY serious criminal offence.''

Given we've now seen a group found guilty of an underreporting of a 100,000 spend in the EU referendum fined 400 I doubt the DWP would give a, 4 letter word, about a claimant's confidentiality being breached. Perhaps were such breaches to carry a mandatory prison sentence of no less than a year the DWP might pay heed.

Talking of security were the DWP to be subjected to a ransom-ware attack the damage to the UK benefits system would be catastrophic, in the main for claimants.
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Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by lankou on September 22, 2018, 02:42:07 PM »
ALL the videoing and sound recording is supposed to stop is the verballing  and lies by assessors, it is NOT a magic bullet to make a silk purse out of the sows ear of the Mansel Aylward version of the biopychosocial model of disability used for both ESA and PIP assessments.

But as the trade union saying goes ask for tuppence take a penny.
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Therefore,  I'm not sure how visually recorded assessments would work with deaf claimants?

Good point. It would similarly apply to visually impaired people.

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Lankou,

Its good  that we are talking about this though isn't it? After all the people campaigning for this need to take all viewpoints into account. The only way I can see filming working would be to have the videos uploaded to a server and have a high level of security placed on how that information is accessed eg like access to personal bank accounts. DVDs can get be lost or get scratched and become unreadable. Monic already mentioned practical concerns. Do you think the time it would take for a welfare rights would have to take to watch a claimants film footage would have an impact on how many people they could help in anyone day?

I know I took some time out this year nevertheless I would have thought a campaign to get the DWP to allow videoing would have reached the places I was going online but JLR starting this thread was the first I have heard of it. Was it a mainstream campaign could you give me some links so I can see what was said.

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The campaign to get assessments recorded is to stop the current verballing of claimants and lies being told by assessors in reports.

That is a big statement using stop rather than reduce, I know it is only a word but more than most people we know words have consequences.

On a personal note, lots of assumptions get made about Cerebral Palsy and this has meant throughout my lifetime people who have just seen me sitting down and not moving about think I look 'normal'. I know this and so would opt out of the video option and want someone to read how life is for me. My worry is that placing an emphasis on videoing as a good solution to verballing might have people like me thinking it is a good option for them when it isn't.

We have each experienced life differently and it's important for us to share what we 'know' from our point of view.

 >dove< >dove< >dove<
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Disability Talk / Re: First I've heard of this- Are PIP assessments going to be videoed ?
« Last post by ally on September 22, 2018, 10:09:35 AM »
If Monic got a copy of my assessment to listen to, she wouldn't hear me at all. It was the assessor and My husband that did all the talking. It would be hoped that anyone watching my video had a good knowledge of sign language.   However, i doubt any assessor. DM, or, welfare advisor would be proficient in sign language, so they could understand,  and, follow what was being signed. Some interpreters employed by the NHS And, the DWP,  don't have medical knowledge.  I've had interpreters in hospitals with me, where I've had to explain about my medical issues during the consultation,  as they had no idea what the Consultant was talking about.   Therefore,  I'm not sure how visually recorded assessments would work with deaf claimants? 
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