Author Topic: New Secretary of State at the DWP  (Read 770 times)

JLR2

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New Secretary of State at the DWP
« on: January 08, 2018, 09:20:43 PM »
Esther McVey of all people!!!   Well that's it the end of the welfare state has just been turbo charged. McVey will see to it UC is reduced in value to any and all claimants. Chances are McVey will order the roll out completed by the end of January.
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Re: New Secretary of State at the DWP
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2018, 09:27:22 PM »
I'm sorry, but I'm negative enough to think they're doing it anyway, and whilst she may be, in my opinion, a nasty piece of work, I don't think she's any nastier than lots of other politicians in charge right now.  Which candidates for the position were any nicer?

Maybe I'm just too negative to have hoped for better and it was possible that there might have been. 
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Re: New Secretary of State at the DWP
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2018, 09:52:02 PM »
Esther McVey is nastier than the others, she's the one who actually enjoys inflicting misery on disabled welfare benefit claimants. McVey is one person whom I'd never wish to suffer a long illness, a short one with a fatal outcome would do just fine.

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Re: New Secretary of State at the DWP
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2018, 09:53:11 PM »
 >crying<
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Re: New Secretary of State at the DWP
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2018, 10:02:19 PM »
Sunny I am sorry to have upset you. Unfortunately I expect we will soon be hearing McVey telling the country she is removing any rights for claimants to lodge appeals following their WCA's with the reasoning being there have been too many successful appeals costing the government/DWP money.

I can foresee changes to the PiP and UC criteria whereby any claimant capable of completing an ESA50 will automatically be found capable of work. Claimants claiming to be within 6 months of death will be liable to fraud charges and taken through the legal system and all previous benefit payments made to their account in the last 6 months of their claim being recovered immediately. That sadly is what I expect from McVey.

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Re: New Secretary of State at the DWP
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2018, 10:16:09 PM »
You can expect it BUT even McVey is not above the law

Appeal rights are enshrined in law and its up to us to fight to keep the rights - I know it feels like a dictatorship at times but we can use our legal rights to fight this.

I noticed she aint on twitter but there are other route to lobby MPs and its time the constituents used them so no throwing in the towel yet

changes to criteria are an ongoing thing and as they are part of the law they constantly evolve - will keep fighting for folks rights - no point in giving in to bullies and I know its not easy but I'm a stubborn b

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Re: New Secretary of State at the DWP
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2018, 10:24:25 PM »
Sadly Monic, as IDS proved when this government loses cases in court they either ignore what the courts say or simply change the relevant law backdating the changes they make.

If I remember correctly did the government not make a change in parliament which allowed the DWP to amend benefit legislation without it being open to scrutiny by the House of Commons?

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Re: New Secretary of State at the DWP
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2018, 10:29:15 PM »
I'm afraid I'm not placing my personal hope for the future on the welfare state because I don't trust it to last even if not deliberately destroyed because I don't trust the government not to make such a hash of the whole Brexit and international agreement thing that our economy collapses.

I'm trying not to assume the worst because all round the world over the centuries communities, societies, countries, states have come to the brink and not gone over it, but I fear the worst.

I still keep a bag packed next to my door that is ostensibly in case of fire but actually it's also in case of anything else that leaves me out in the cold, as it were.  It's a suitcase on wheels the size of a rucksack and has everything from first aid items and toiletries to a small sleeping bag and a squeeze-power torch.  I'm now going to pack a larger suitcase as well.  It's my way of feeling safer.

Could I contrast for you extremes in my life?   I did the Buck House garden party bit at 17.  I've owned my own house.  I've been a director of a multimillion pound charity and also set up another.  I've been at national level in my chosen sport.  I've earned my living advising judges and lawyers on a specialist area of law. 

I've also been hungry, relying on the charity of others.  I've been street homeless.  I've picked up fruit & veg off the ground when the market's closed to have enough to eat.  I've cleaned toilets, loaded trucks, washed bums.

My whole life has been one of contrasts.  I've been fished out of a river and I've fished someone else out.  What goes around, comes around.

I have no idea whether I can survive what's coming or how.  But I keep reading a quote I found online and copied and pasted to my desktop, and which may or may not be accurately attributed.  "I always wondered why somebody doesn’t do something about that. Then I realized I was somebody.” Lily Tomlin

I believe that one thing that I can do is to use my unusually contrasting experiences to communicate with others.  I'm beginning to learn how.  Being crude, I want to get fitter physically and mentally (within the parameters of what's realistic) and find myself a position of more influence again in society.  I don't know how, but what's to lose by trying?

So when I read what you write about Esther McVey, it upsets me, but it also inspires me, because it reminds me that I must speak up, do my little bit towards changing things.

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Re: New Secretary of State at the DWP
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2018, 11:33:50 PM »
Sunny Clouds  >bighugs< I love the quote about somebody should do something, very similar to. I said nothing when they came for the communist, the Jew, the disabled etc.

I know why folk panic when they elevate extremists to higher positions, it happens all the time in the council- idiot bosses always get promoted and all staff and customers suffer, I despise current management and Mcvey  is another one.

The law your referring to has not been accepted by both the lords and commons yet as the commons select committees are not happy being told they’re irrelevant JLR.  Ok it’s fine to brace yourself for the coming onslaught but we need to be careful and not go all “doomed doomed we’re doomed” I would rather start looking for weaknesses and planning counter tactics instead.  More than one way to get to the destination  >dove<

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Re: New Secretary of State at the DWP
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2018, 08:11:27 AM »
So far as McVey goes I will not allow her to stop me claiming those benefits to which I feel I have the right to claim even if it takes things to the point of challenging McVey in a court of law. And when I say challenging McVey I mean her personally as I would fight to see her forced to appear personally in a courtroom as the one person her bullying, confrontational attitude will not impress is a court of law judge. When a judge asks a question s/he wants the question asked answered and not with some wandering political diatribe as happens when the SoS appears before the house committee at Westminster.

McVey thinks herself smart she is anything but.
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Re: New Secretary of State at the DWP
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2018, 12:28:36 PM »
Ugh I didn't need to see this today, am already feeling very down and depressed.   

What an EVIL woman indeed.   We are stuffed
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Re: New Secretary of State at the DWP
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2018, 02:44:07 PM »
I just keep hoping that there'll be some great scandal to bring the government down.  Who knows what, but it could happen. 

The person I'd really like to see the back of is Jeremy Hunt.  I'd be very suprised if he hadn't got his fingers in some very embarassing pies, but whether he'll be exposed is anybody's guess. But he's now got a legal challenge on his hands in relation to the NHS with Stephen Hawking involved.  There's nothing like a famous genius to attract sympathy.  (I've never read nasty words online about Hawking even from those that disagree with him.)

I'm already wondering who one could rally to the cause that's currently not foremost.  Would the veterans' community get up in arms with a bit of a push?  Nothing like a few 'heroes' to get sympathy where 'doley benny scrounging chavs' don't.  (And as we all here know, the people so characterised might actually be from exactly the same social class, upbringing, educational attainment etc.)

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Re: New Secretary of State at the DWP
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2018, 08:54:54 AM »
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