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Force_Majeure

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Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« on: December 13, 2012, 02:39:23 AM »
               "We are raising more money for the rich“

Edward Miliband:
I must say, I have heard everything when the boy from the Bullingdon club lectures people on bullying. Absolutely extraordinary. Have you wrecked a restaurant recently?The Prime Minister does not want to talk about the facts, but let us give him another one. He is hitting working families, and the richest people in our society will get a massive tax cut next April—an average of £107,000 each for people earning over £1 million. Is he the only person left in the country who cannot see the fundamental injustice of giving huge tax cuts to the richest while punishing those in work on the lowest pay?

The Prime Minister:
The tax take for the richest under this Government will be higher in every year than it was for any year when the right hon. Gentleman was in government. He has obviously got a short memory, because I explained to him last week that under his plans for the 50p tax rate, millionaires paid £7 billion less in tax than they did previously. The point of raising taxes is to pay for public services. We are raising more money for the rich, but where he is really so profoundly wrong is in the choice that he has decided to make. The facts are these: over the last five years, people in work have seen their incomes go up by 10%, and people out of work have seen their incomes go up by 20%. At a time when people accept a pay freeze we should not be massively increasing benefits massively, yet that is what he wants to do. A party that is not serious about controlling welfare is not serious about controlling the deficit either.

Edward Miliband:
From the first part of his answer, it seems the Prime Minister is claiming to be Robin Hood; I really do not think that is going to work. He is not taking from the richest and giving to everybody else. Didn’t the Business Secretary give it away in what he said about the autumn statement? He said:“what happened was some of their donors,”—we know who he is talking about—“very wealthy people, stamped their feet”,
so the Conservatives scrapped the mansion tax and went ahead with the 50p tax cut. They look after their friends—the people on their Christmas card list. Meanwhile, they hit people they never meet, and whose lives they will never understand.



            For the full article please got to Commons Hansard at:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmhansrd/cm121212/debtext/121212-0001.htm#12121240000011

Or watch it here, at approx 38mins in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01pfs6b/Daily_Politics_12_12_2012/

It seems to me that no one, including the news, picked up on that sentence that Mr Cameron said.....

Thanks for reading!

FM
« Last Edit: December 13, 2012, 01:20:16 PM by Force_Majeure »
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Dic Penderyn

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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2012, 02:40:41 PM »
I am starting to like Edward Miliband.
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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012, 12:26:44 AM »
Me too!   >biggrin<
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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2012, 02:25:37 AM »
could he possibly have said "...from the rich..."?
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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2012, 09:15:22 AM »
Regardless of what he may or may not have meant, I have already checked the facts, please take a look at the links in my original post, it is in the commons Hansard at:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmhansrd/cm121212/debtext/121212-0001.htm#12121240000011

on the second line of writing after the heading 12 Dec 2012 : Column 287

Or watch it here, at approx 38mins in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01pfs6b/Daily_Politics_12_12_2012/

It seems to me that no one, including the news, picked up on that sentence that Mr Cameron said.....
Although I have since heard on youreable forums that one newspaper had stated, "a Freudian Slip". I have not yet found out which newspaper said it! I am awaiting a reply on there....

Regards

FM   >cool<
« Last Edit: December 14, 2012, 09:25:05 AM by Force_Majeure »
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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2012, 09:19:33 AM »
Hi FM

I wasn't suggesting you had it wrong, just wondering if whoever did the transcription  could have misheard the key word in the sentence.
regards, Deb

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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2012, 09:34:56 AM »
Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as harsh, but rather unfortunately tact is one thing I am lacking, as are many social courtesies due to being autistic.  >thumbsup<   :)
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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2012, 11:17:55 PM »
no problem   >thumbsup<

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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2012, 10:07:21 PM »
I think the problem is that sometimes Mr Camoron actually says what he is thinking and this is one such occasion.
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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2012, 11:13:00 PM »
I googled 'cameron freudian slip' and just look what came up ...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cameron+freudian+slip&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb

Yup, he said it alright - what a numpty!  >lol<

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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2012, 01:05:35 AM »
If Lord Freud had said it, would that have been a Cameronian slip?

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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2012, 02:02:29 AM »
Maybe it would, Darth!

For those who might not know, the concept of a Freudian Slip ("parapraxis" ) comes from the psychoanalytic theories of Dr. Sigmund Freud, it occurs when someone says something aloud which their subconscious mind could have been thinking (i.e. usually something different to what their conscious mind thought), it is supposed to reveal what the person "really" thinks....

I don't know offhand if the current Lord Freud is a descendant of Sigmund, I guess it is quite likely as it's an uncommon name in the UK.
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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2012, 10:18:40 AM »
Yes he is a relative.

I watched it live and he definitely said it, AND no-one there noticed. Or the papers really. Has it all been surpressed?? What did the written Hansard say does anyone know?

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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2012, 12:50:32 PM »
It is in Hansard!

See here; you'll need to scroll down (or search) to "Column 287".

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Re: Did David Cameron Really Say This:
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2012, 02:26:04 PM »
But is the on line version the same as the hard copy one in Parliment? Isn't that the one that gets changed?

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