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Title: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: lankou on 29 Jan 2018 09:55PM
There must be rending of clothing and gnashing of teeth at the DWP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42862904

Personal Independence payments: All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed

2 hours ago

 Every person receiving Personal Independence Payments (PIP) will have their claim reviewed, the Department for Work and Pensions has said.

A total of 1.6 million of the main disability benefit claims will be reviewed, with around 220,000 people expected to receive more money.

It comes after the DWP decided not to challenge a court ruling that said changes to PIP were unfair to people with mental health conditions.

The review could cost £3.7bn by 2023.

The minister for disabled people, Sarah Newton, said the DWP was embarking on a "complex exercise and of considerable scale."




She added: "Whilst we will be working at pace to complete this exercise it is important that we get it right."
Ministers made changes to PIP in 2017 which limited the amount of support people with mental health conditions could receive.

As a result, people who were unable to travel independently on the grounds of psychological distress - as opposed to other conditions - were not entitled to the enhanced mobility rate of the benefit.

'Vital support'

The government pressed ahead with the proposals, despite criticism from an independent tribunal in 2016.

But in December, a High Court judge ruled the alterations "blatantly discriminate" against people with psychiatric problems and were a breach of their human rights.

Last week, new Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey announced the government would not appeal against the judgement, despite not agreeing with certain aspects of it.

Mark Atkinson, chief executive at disability charity Scope, said more was needed to address the issues with PIP.

"While it's crucial that the government urgently identifies and pays the vast numbers of disabled people who lost out on this vital support, this will not address the root of the problem," he said.

"The fundamentally flawed PIP assessment needs a radical overhaul so it accurately identifies the extra costs disabled people face."

Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Monic1511 on 29 Jan 2018 10:02PM
The general staff will just brace themselves for another substantial backlog of identifying older claims that "may" be due additional points under the mobility criteria.

But I was also sent this where Mcvey is trying to limit the amount of backdating due to DWP official error
https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2018/january/nawra-receives-reply-esther-mcvey-over-potential-esa-underpayments
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 29 Jan 2018 11:00PM
I posted something about this on another website (Mustardland) and there were various comments along the lines of this being viewed, perhaps, as an opportunity to trawl through past claims in the hopes of rejecting lots, perhaps more of the physical claims.

I don't feel particularly objective about any of this.  A government that can so comfortably stick two fingers up at the UN human rights commission more than once about disability benefit cuts will find some other way of cutting benefits instead.

I dearly hope I'm wrong.

I will be open.  I expect to inherit enough not to have to worry financially.  But that won't exempt me from the anti-disabled attitude that government after government is stirring up.

Maybe others can find more positive things to say.  I'm aware that being in the middle of other things, a PIP appeal and probate, I'm feeling rough. 
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: SteveX on 30 Jan 2018 12:05AM
Does this affect esa in any way or is it only for people claiming pip?
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Monic1511 on 30 Jan 2018 07:38AM
The original post is just about PIP, the link I posted is about people not being paid the correct premiums when transferred from incapacity benefits to esa and it’s millions of pounds underpaid.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: JLR2 on 30 Jan 2018 08:05AM
Can't help wondering how reassessing these 1.6 million claims is going to impact on the current program of moving existing ESA claimants over to Pip?  Is the DWP going to put a hold on moving folk from ESA to Pip or will it simply send letters to many, many thousands of claimants telling them, 'sorry you have not qualified for backdated increases in your disability benefits' ?  A bit like when someone finds  a voucher in a sale product telling them they've a chance of winning a holiday or a car only to learn when they apply or enter the voucher's code that they, 'have not been lucky this time'.

I'm suspecting that scenario because even though there is the backlog in claimants being moved over there is no word from the DWP about where the DWP decision makers are going to find the time to carry out these 1.6 million reassessments.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Fiz on 30 Jan 2018 12:06PM
JLR2 I think you mean transferring people from DLA to PIP? And I agree this may well slow the process down.  If mental health had been taken into account with my PIP application then I would definitely have been awarded a mobility element so I await to see whether I am a case that is reviewed and gains a mobility award.

However as it's behind the scenes and we already know how many applications are turned down on initial application and then remain turned down at reconsideration stage and then that decision is overturned at tribunal allowing the claimant the award, my trust in the DWP's ability to assess an application to see whether someone should have been awarded a mobility element of PIP on mental health grounds is precisely zilch.

I think an independent body should be working through the applications,  not the DWP.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 30 Jan 2018 09:20PM
On the surface of it, I like the sound of an independent body, Fiz - but having worked for the DWP and remembering the weeks of training to be an Income Support processor, it's going to be a lot less expensive (and less time-consuming) for the department to use existing staff already trained up...

The BBC report says all PIP claims to be reviewed, but is that really the case?  My understanding was that only mobility claims disallowed since the new ruling would be re-assessed.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 30 Jan 2018 10:08PM
But how do they know?  My (new-style) PIP form didn't ask about the sort of mobility needs they stopped paying out for, so where will they get the info from?  They say they won't carry out assessments, but will they even seek relevant info?  I wish I didn't think this will just be a token exercise with no helpful result.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Monic1511 on 30 Jan 2018 10:33PM
How will they review PIP decisions.  This is my suggestion and not official advice
The rules were changed on 17/03/17.  Any decisions made between 17/03/17 and 21/01/18 (when the secretary of state accepted the changes made were illegal) will be looked at and if the claimant mentions mental health then the case will be passed to decision makers for review.
The decision maker will look at the evidence and if the claimant indicates that they believe they meet any of these criteria then the decision maker will need to decide if there is enough evidence in the papers and make a new decision or send a decision letter to the claimant saying they don't meet the criteria.

The descriptor affected by this judgement is the Mobility Planning and following journeys specifically C D and F
a. Can plan and follow the route of a journey unaided.  0
b. Needs prompting to be able to undertake any journey to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant.  4
c. Cannot plan the route of a journey. 8
d. Cannot follow the route of an unfamiliar journey without another person, assistance dog or orientation aid.  10
e. Cannot undertake any journey because it would cause overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant.  10
f. Cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, an assistance dog or an orientation aid.  12

So if there is info on the papers that shows you meet C D or F then a revised decision should be made.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 30 Jan 2018 10:56PM
But many people applying may have known or those advising them may have known that what they could get the mobility component for had changed, so they wouldn't have given the relevant info.

I was careful when filling in my PIP application to use all the prompts as headings, but they didn't ask/prompt for information that would have enabled them to assess this.

So how can they decide whether someone has met the criteria without an initial letter saying "We've changed the rules again.  We forgot to make sure we asked you all the info we need about problems you have getting about."

Oh well, what will be needed will be a massive, vocal campaign to get everyone with mental problems to challenge any revised decision they are sent.

Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 31 Jan 2018 11:34AM
I confess I put some very blunt comments at the start of the mobility section of my PIP claim along the lines of "I'm answering the questions because you've asked them, but I'm well aware that the PM has taken the view that mentally ill people aren't really disabled and don't have mobility problems, so I'm not expecting the mobility element."  (That's from memory, not looked up.)

I've been getting into further and further meltdown over time over this, and now I've realised that if I don't mention the mobility bit in my appeal and they don't consider it, that'll be me stuffed on it.

I have to keep telling myself that what I need to do is to just say I appeal that bit of the decision and that I'll send more evidence later.

The tribunal guidance says you're supposed to specify which bits you're appealling, not just 'I want to appeal'.   That's close to an open invitation to the likes of me just to write a 500 page thesis.   >yikes<

All I can do just now is cry.  I'm desperately trying to think of where I could go to sit and write things by hand on paper.  (I don't have a tablet or i-thingummy.)  That would keep me calm because I can type fast and if I go on my computer I come here and I'd also run rampant round the news and disability sites about what's happening with PIP.

I woke at about 8.30 and got up at about 10.30 and it's now 11.15 and I haven't finished my breakfast.  The time in between went partly typing this and partly just crying and partly feeling horribly negative about the future.  I keep having daymares about horrible things happening.  I imagine one of my regular falls leaving me helpless.  I have no one to fight my corner. 

It would be so much easier if it were summer.  I've a garden and there are parks.  But I feel the cold.  Maybe the answer is a café in a shop or department store, because it's not school holiday time and if I pick a middle class one the music will be quiet etc.  (Babies screaming wouldn't bother me, it's kids running round that would, and loud discussions/arguments, and loud music.) 


Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Monic1511 on 31 Jan 2018 07:54PM
Sunny Clouds

Have you had a PIP decision and we have done the MR, sorry I forget a lot and need constant prompting.
If you're at the waiting for appeal stage then I can give you some guidance with a submission.
face to face subs are best cos they see the real you

sorry if we have already spent time on this
 >bighugs<
Monic
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 31 Jan 2018 08:27PM
I've had the mandatory reconsideration, although they're plonkers on their paperwork and timing, because they gave me until the 12th as an extension after saying my previous request was in the wrong format.  (Just send neat, tidy, stapled A4 sheets, folks.)

Then they sent a decision dated the 11th saying I hadn't sent further info, but they'd signed for my formal written request with extra info at 6am.  I think they're trying to say they didn't read it, except there's something in the wording of the reconsideration that suggests they did (a technical terminology point I picked them up on.)

Anyway, I thought I'd got it drafted and was going to finish it today, but I spent most of today in tears.  I've an appointment with a charity on Friday.  I've explained that I'm longwinded, but that I think I've whittled my appeal down to the bare minimum, but the tribunal guidance does make it clear you shouldn't just say 'I want to appeal', they want to know which points etc.

It's this PIP mobility thing I'm doing my fruit over because of the timing, but a friend who's been through the appeal process herself has reminded me that you can send further evidence up to 7 days before the hearing, which will be months away, so I think I'll just put something to the effect that in the light of the government's recent announcement I want to appeal the mobility element and will submit any further evidence I think may help the tribunal.

But if you'd seen the way I worded the original application, making it clear that I knew I wouldn't get the mobility element, you'd see why I've had a bad day.

Something that really, really doesn't help is that one of my closest friends has just discovered she's dying and her partner, a very, very close friend who'd otherwise help me through this is, obviously tied up with helping her.

We'll see whether the charity adviser will be able to do as I need with my rough draft and give me feedback on whether it's succinct enough, and then I can type it up.  (I'll put 'see attached' on the form because my handwriting's atrocious when I'm stressed.)

I shall ask for a hearing.

I'm also going to ask them to specifically address the fact that the DM said my hearing must be ok because I served in the armed forces.  If they were to uphold that proposition, it would be an insult to a generation of soldiers like me that served after the army discovered ear defenders could protect hearing but before they ensured we used them or warned us they were necessary.  (I thought they only mattered on indoor ranges.)
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 31 Jan 2018 09:21PM
Sunny - I'm so sorry about your friend  >hugs<

It's good that you are seeing someone to look through the submission with you - a fresh pair of neutral eyes can make all the difference...
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 31 Jan 2018 09:25PM
Also - Monic, thanks for shedding some light on the PIP reviews in your reply #9.  I was wondering if there were others here on OuchToo denied the mobility component under the original rules because they 'only' had 'psychological distress...'
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Monic1511 on 31 Jan 2018 09:44PM
Re an appeal, this is done on an SSCS1 form and the text area for “reasons for appeal” is less than half a page.  The reason for this is because you normally give full reasons at the actual appeal.
I normally write you have failed to consider the severity frequency and full effect of my problems. I do not ( pick the most obvious reason ).   The tribunal service will accept the appeal.  The you get a full copy of the papers.   It’s at this stage I write a submission explaining each criteria and why my person meets that criteria.

As a representative I dislike long 3 or 4 page appeal letters. They tend to be so detailed that they leave me no wiggle room and the panel want to know why I ask for different criteria from my clients.

Claimant has written I sometimes make a meal but I don’t eat it. They have asked for points for needing supervision to prepare a meal and what they really mean is that if forced to they will help a partner make a meal but if the partner isn’t there they will make a simple meal but don’t do it often.
I then go to the panel and have to argue that they only cook very infrequently and by cooking they mean reheat a microwave meal.

Sunny you can take medical evidence with you on the day of the appeal,  the panel normally accept it but if you have a visually impaired panel member you will need to read the evidence to them.  This is one of the reasons the panel asks for the evidence beforehand- it’s to convert it to Braille.

Since the dwp won’t change their decision at this late stage my advice would be keep the appeal letter to the very basic. The dwp has made several factual errors and also ignored that I have aids for hearing. I don’t believe they have considered the full effect of my difficulties and the impact on my daily life.

😉
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 31 Jan 2018 10:41PM
The guidance notes specifically state that you should say which points you are appealing, so that is what I shall do.

But I shall refer to the armed forces thing.  It's my main reason for appealing.

Quote
Your reasons do not have to be lengthy or written in legal language, but you need to say more than just, ‘I disagree‘. You should explain simply why you think the decision you are appealing against is incorrect. It might be useful for you to state what you consider the correct decision should be.
The more specific you are about the points of dispute, the easier it is for the tribunal to understand what your grievance is and to focus their attention on this before the hearing. For example, in an appeal regarding Universal Credit, it is helpful to write down which elements of the Universal Credit award you disagree with. These are the composite parts
of the Universal Credit award which are intended to reflect your household’s needs. You are welcome to attach evidence which you feel may be supportive to your appeal, but you should not delay appealing while you obtain this.
If you need more space to write your reasons you can attach a separate sheet of paper.

I do not see the point of submitting it without stating which points I am or am not appealing.  If I were appealing all of it, it would be different.

I am not saying that I want to send all the information now.  As I've already said earlier today, I'm aware that I can submit more evidence later.

To you, maybe what takes time is long things.  To me, what takes time is making things short.


 
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Monic1511 on 31 Jan 2018 10:47PM
It’s your appeal so you do what is best for you.
The reason reps don’t give definite points at this stage is that you are showing all your info to the dwp and the dwp presenting officer then turns up with counter arguments prepared. If I present it on the day the presenting officer is scrambling about for a counter argument that isn’t calling my client a liar.
 >dove<
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 31 Jan 2018 10:57PM
That makes sense.

So say which points I'm challenging, but give more detail after I've got the 'defence' papers?

That makes sense.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 31 Jan 2018 11:11PM
Ok, I'll whittle it right down to the bare minimum and see what the adviser thinks on Friday as to whether I've said enough without playing my cards.

Buggrit, this goes against all my inclinations, my obsessive-compulsive explaining, explaining, explaining, but I shall be a good girl, honest!
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: auntieCtheM on 01 Feb 2018 12:56AM
Sunny, just take a step backwards for a mo.  Why are you getting so wound up?  Think about it.  You are doing this on principle, not because you will not be able to pay the bills if you do not get more PIP.  So try to calm down and think of all this as an academic exercise, not a personal one.  Try not to develop an ulcer over it.   >hugs<
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: lankou on 01 Feb 2018 06:49PM
Some clarification from the Disability News Service:-

More at link:-

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-promises-no-one-will-lose-out-in-huge-review-of-1-6-million-pip-cases/


DWP promises no-one will lose out in huge review of 1.6 million PIP cases

By John Pring  on  February 1, 2018

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has promised that no disabled people will have their benefits reduced because of its decision to review 1.6 million personal independence payment (PIP) claims.


Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 01 Feb 2018 07:22PM
"Why are you getting so wound up?  "

Because for all that there might be an issue of money, and for all that I feel I should pursue it, the thing I'm having a problem with (and would have whether I pursued it or not) is about whether I'm believed.

As is cropping up in other threads, the whole issue of being believed or not, whether on a personal level or as part of the current scrounger rhetoric, is painful for many.

I started writing my PIP application whilst approving my father's 2018 Who's Who entry.  Every time I walked into his room, whichever nurse or HCA that was sitting with him went off on one about how much he'd achieved, based on his 'memory book'.  After he died, I've had how wonderful he was rammed down my throat.  A seemingly endless reminder of how wonderful he was and how wonderful I'm not.

But if I've got to face the issues relating to what I didn't achieve, then I want people to know I didn't simply wake up one day and think "I know what, I'll pretend I'm not very well."

I admit that this is influencing decisions I hadn't thought it would.  I'd always thought in terms of society more readily accepting the reality of physical impairments than mental impairments, but it depends what they are.  How could I ever explain to the DWP that the main reason I'm often too distressed, no, too scared, to go out of the house is the way people treat me when I fall over?  That typically I fall over every second or third time I leave the house?  And I feel horribly depressed and probably closer than I'd like to the edge between justifiable anxiety and paranoia, and my obsessive-compulsiveness is only just under control.  But if I increase my meds to compensate for that, to try to control it, symptoms will increase that the system thinks don't matter a jot.  Hey, who cares whether I break bones falling over in the house?  Who cares that I had 3 mild TBIs last year that have left me with ongoing neck pain, sleep problems etc?  Who cares that I fall over on approximately every fourth bus journey?  Not long before Christmas, I had a day when I caught four buses.  I fell over on three of them.

I hate, hate, hate this whole system.  I hate the way in which it's all carved up into mental and physical.  I now have an anger, a bitterness, a resentment, a hatred towards my local mental health trust and a particular team.  I rarely hate people, but I'm close to hating one psychiatrist in particular.  I wake in the night wishing I'd sued the lot of them for turning me from someone struggling to cope with a whole series of bad things happening to them, to someone who'd been gaslight into feeling totally, utterly worthless.  I don't say I felt very confident before, but it was hard-won confidence. 

Logically, rationally, reasonably I need to disconnect this appeal from all that.  However, for me, this is about vindication.  It's like a trial.  It's about saying "I am who I am and I'm what I am.  I'm genuine.  I have needs and I fight bloody hard to deal with them.  Do me the honour of not denying them."

I'd be feeling rather differently if they'd put up a good argument, but they didn't.  It's not "You haven't proven your entitlement to PIP to a reasonable standard." it's "We've decided you shouldn't get it so we'll simply tell you that what you're saying isn't true."

Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Monic1511 on 01 Feb 2018 08:46PM
 >bighugs<

Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: SteveX on 01 Feb 2018 09:06PM
>bighugs<
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 01 Feb 2018 09:20PM
Quote
Logically, rationally, reasonably I need to disconnect this appeal from all that.  However, for me, this is about vindication.  It's like a trial.  It's about saying "I am who I am and I'm what I am.  I'm genuine.  I have needs and I fight bloody hard to deal with them.  Do me the honour of not denying them."

Sunny - the whole process of claiming PIP (and DLA, for that matter) brought up for me just about every incident of abuse I've survived since 1979, so what you are feeling is completely understandable and natural.  These benefit awards represent being taken seriously, being accepted as genuinely ill, etc etc, so no wonder such emotional capital gets invested in them.  Try and stay connected to that logical-rational side if you can, while allowing another side of you to rage justifiably against all the mistreatment.   And remember we care.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 01 Feb 2018 09:26PM
Just knowing that others here understand is half the battle.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 01 Feb 2018 09:29PM
We're not going anywhere...

Just an addition that your post made me think of:  you mentioned 'gaslighting', which is a form of emotional abuse.  For any interested reader, here's some information about it:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/toxic-relationships/201801/how-know-if-youre-victim-gaslighting

I've put this up because once a silly little turd of a 'man' I met on the Internet tried it on me.  Nuff said  :-)

(oops, off-topic.  Should I moderate myself?)  ;-) >devil<

>edited to add....
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 01 Feb 2018 10:29PM
...getting serious again (and do excuse my attempt at BBC Ouch-inspired humour!  Those who were part of that board will remember about 'off-topic' and all that).  Even to read and then actually post that above link was slightly triggering, so that goes to show how powerful the effects of 'gaslighting' are for a long time afterwards.  What complicated it, I found, was trying to explain to others (especially those who were in a position to help but didn't) how I was systematically being 'played'.  That is, when I finally realised something was terribly wrong... How many others has this happened to, I've often wondered, and that's why the dissemination of relevant information is so important.   

What has this to do with PIP?  Well, if having your mind turned inside out - and being left with permanent 'head demons' as a result - then leaves you less able to function in your daily activities and your getting around ....

Beg pardon if I've gone on a bit  >blush<
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 01 Feb 2018 10:42PM
Gone on a bit?  Pah!  You're an amateur!  I can out-go-on-a-bit almost anyone, especially when I'm stressed out. 

The Chas & Dave song was made for me:

You won't stop talking, why don't you give it a rest
You got more rabbit than Sainsbury's, it's time you got it off ya chest
Now you was just the type of girl to break my heart in two
I knew right off when I first clapped my eyes on you
But how was I to know you'd bend my earholes too with your incessant talking
You're becoming a pest

Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: JLR2 on 02 Feb 2018 07:24AM
''It's like a trial''

I can't mind where it was I heard the expression that people should be tried by their peers, if that's the case is it not about time more disabled people were involved in the decision making on disabled benefit claims?
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 02 Feb 2018 10:36AM
Yes!
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 02 Feb 2018 10:54AM
It's mad!

I've an appointment with an adviser today that I wasn't sure I really needed after advice here yesterday evening, but I thought 'too late to cancel' and then got a letter through the door marked mandatory reconsideration notice.  Duh.  They'd already done one.  Anyway, they've now changed their minds.  I think someone must have noticed they'd messed up by reconsidering before they got the written request (they got it in the morning and did the reconsideration that day).

Anyway, I've now got enhanced care but no mobility.  I could appeal the mobility or see the state of play on the government reviews anyway.  But I've time.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 02 Feb 2018 11:14AM
''It's like a trial''

I can't mind where it was I heard the expression that people should be tried by their peers, if that's the case is it not about time more disabled people were involved in the decision making on disabled benefit claims?

Can't disagree with that  >thumbsup<  Fancy suggesting it to a Government minister??

Sunny, well done on getting the enhanced care, which you should have been awarded in the first place - so pleased for you  >magic<  And ta for the Chas and Dave lyrics - they always made songs to bring a smile  >biggrin<

Regarding the mobility - hmmm, I'd be wary of poking that particular hornet's nest with a stick, in case they reconsider the whole damn thing.  If as promised all mobility claims are going to be looked at again anyway, you could just wait and see...
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 02 Feb 2018 11:23AM
Yes, you're right, I'd do well to leave the mobility bit alone.  They awarded the points they could at the time when they first made the decision.  The revised decision was made on 24 January, before the government's announcement, so it's in line with the controversial mobility rules. 

I feel so tired.  This has all triggered so much.  I now wonder how many people having their decisions reviewed will go into meltdown over it. 
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: lankou on 02 Feb 2018 11:30AM
  I now wonder how many people having their decisions reviewed will go into meltdown over it.

It is now obvious people did not read this I posted earlier in the thread:-

Some clarification from the Disability News Service:-

More at link:-

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-promises-no-one-will-lose-out-in-huge-review-of-1-6-million-pip-cases/


DWP promises no-one will lose out in huge review of 1.6 million PIP cases

By John Pring  on  February 1, 2018

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has promised that no disabled people will have their benefits reduced because of its decision to review 1.6 million personal independence payment (PIP) claims.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 02 Feb 2018 11:55AM
I read it.  That doesn't mean that others being reviewed will have read it somewhere. 

My decision today was just whether to pursue the appeal I was making in the light of the fresh review.  I.e. I'd have asked the tribunal to review the mobility in the light of the changes just because they were also reviewing the care.  However, I venture to suggest that having less than an hour between the unexpected letter dropping on my mat and the taxi due to arrive to go to the disability centre for someone to check over my application form and coming here and having a quick exchange whilst I made a decision isn't much time for someone with a severe and mental illness in the midst of a serious crisis to set out a reasoned summary of the situation.

But please, l'Ankou, remember that amongst those 1.6 million are lots of people who go into meltdown anyway.  In all seriousness, it's the ones that do that are most likely to get the mobility component that for a while has been denied and is now being restored.  It's the ones that for reasons of emotional/psychological (forget which word they use) cannot go to unfamiliar places or whatever that are likely to have a change in their mobility component.  What proportion of those do you assume will fully take on board (or believe) the government when they say none of them will have their PIP reduced?

I know I sound angry.  I feel as if I've been told off.  If I'm in this much distress when I've just received a reconsideration in my favour, how much distress do you think others might be in?

And I could tell you of other things in my life as a sort of 'excuse' for my strong reaction, but it's not unique.  There will inevitably be others like me with people close to them dying or in crisis.  People like me with other problems.  And it's those that go into meltdown that this is all about.

I'm sitting here sobbing.  I'm not washed or dressed.  I abandoned my breakfast half way through.  Even just the notice telling me I needed enhanced care was like a hard punch to the abdomen because every single reminder of how wretchedly dysfunctional I am hurts.  I had to brace myself to check what the extra points were for - for hearing aids or for needing social support to engage. 

[deleted details of other things happening in my life]

I have virtually no friends left.  I sit alone day after day after day.  I'm barely holding on.  No, I'm not threatening another suicide attempt like the one when I got my initial PIP decision.  But I feel I want to scream "I'm in meltdown, and it's people like me that can barely cope with reading a letter telling us our benefits have been increased that are a significant proportion of those that should have been given this element and will get a letter telling them it's been reviewed."

So please, be kinder, l'Ankou, because actually I do read what you post.  It's one of the reasons I come here to Ouch.   
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Fiz on 02 Feb 2018 02:20PM
Sunny, I'm on my own too and get intensely lonely. My anxiety prevents me from talking on the phone but if you'd like someone to text to and receive texts back each day do send me a pm and we can share our mobile numbers. Only if you want to though, no pressure at all   >bighugs<
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 02 Feb 2018 02:59PM
I don't text.

Well, I did manage to send two texts, very slowly, last year.

Maybe we could swap pms or something, although that may not fit with what you do.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 02 Feb 2018 05:05PM
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..just the notice telling me I needed enhanced care was like a hard punch to the abdomen because every single reminder of how wretchedly dysfunctional I am hurts. 

Yes, that's the flip side of the good news (remembering opening the DLA higher-rate care award letter) 

But it does 'settle in', just give yourself time, OK?

As for anyone being kinder, that's what we prefer here on OuchToo if someone's been posting in distress, and that's what we normally get.  I'd like to keep it that way.

Regarding sharing phone numbers, e-mails etc:  Fiz and Sunny, I have no concerns about you two in particular, but as a general note, anybody considering this please exercise sensible caution before taking an online friendship to the next level.  I'm probably telling Granny how to suck eggs  ;-)  but that was how I became entangled with the emotional abuser referred to on previous page (no, it wasn't a 'romantic' relationship, it was someone who openly won my trust first and then proceeded to set themselves up to act as my all-knowing counsellor  >doh<)  Just being over-protective of you all, I suppose!
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Monic1511 on 02 Feb 2018 07:44PM
''It's like a trial''

I can't mind where it was I heard the expression that people should be tried by their peers, if that's the case is it not about time more disabled people were involved in the decision making on disabled benefit claims?

JLR2   - a PIP/DLA/AA appeal is made up of 3 people  - The chairperson who makes sure the law is applied so is legally qualified
 The Doctor to give view on the medical issues  AND
 The Lay member - an adult with disabilities and their role is to ask questions on how your own problems impact on daily life,  the medical member I dread most is the blind gentleman and that's only because I never have time to send my paperwork in 7 days before and therefore its not in braille,  If this gentleman is on the panel I have to read my submission to the panel rather than provide a written copy.
So there is disabled representation on DLA PIP AA appeals.
I am not saying they are sympathetic but they are there.

Sunny Clouds - I'm pleased that they have overturned the decision and you don't now have the trial of an appeal hearing because they are stressful.

On the original topic that the government are going to review all 1.6m decisions made since the illegal change in legislation, I was at a welfare rights officers(WROs) meeting today and there is wariness on the part of  WROs as there is no assurance from DWP that they will not use the excuse to review mobility as a reason to review the care part.   Our discussion was around this
Do we leave DWP to do the review?
Will they review daily living awards?
Will the claimant have a right to dispute any new decision if DWP doesn't give the award we think they person should have?
Will the additional work delay the processing time for new PIP claims?  probably as there are no new staff being taken on
How will this additional work affect the DLA to PIP transfer?

So although its good news if you have "overwhelming psychological distress" affecting your mobility needs there is more to this than the government admitting it broke the law.

 >dove<
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 02 Feb 2018 10:28PM
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The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has promised that no disabled people will have their benefits reduced because of its decision to review 1.6 million personal independence payment (PIP) claims.

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Sarah Newton, the minister for disabled people, announced this week that, following McVey’s decision not to appeal the court ruling, DWP would review every one of the 1.6 million PIP claims that have been made since the benefit was introduced in 2013 to see how many had been wrongly assessed and were now entitled to backdated PIP payments.

The review will include all those previously found ineligible for the benefit after being assessed by DWP and its contractors, Atos and Capita.

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Newton said the following day – in response to an urgent question from shadow disability minister Marsha de Cordova – that no-one would see their benefits reduced as a result of the review.

Disability News Service

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-promises-no-one-will-lose-out-in-huge-review-of-1-6-million-pip-cases/
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: JLR2 on 03 Feb 2018 01:36AM
''The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has promised that no disabled people will have their benefits reduced because of its decision to review 1.6 million personal independence payment (PIP) claims''

First thing that caught my notice was the word, 'promised'  a promise from the DWP?  a bit like believing Santa's promises...as a child might do. The second thing was where the DWP talks of no one having their benefits, 'reduced'  aye well they might not be reduced but how many will see them increased. In effect the DWP could increase perhaps 1% of claimants reviewed and that would be it before going on every news channel proclaiming to the world and its brother they have not cut anyone's benefits. Maybe what the DWP might be planning is a rapid roll out of reassessments of those given higher rates of benefits with the intention of quickly recouping any extra expenditure from the DWP's budget.
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 03 Feb 2018 10:08AM
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First thing that caught my notice was the word, 'promised'  a promise from the DWP?  a bit like believing Santa's promises...as a child might do.

You've made me think there.  Not just Santa's promises but a pocket-dipper's spiel.  The front man sees you look a bit lost or upset and appraoches ostensibly to help.  While they're keeping you occupied, someone dips your purse.  There are a couple of others so that if you think you feel or see something, they can also distract you and jostle you so the one you spotted or thought you did gets away.  A good team can keep it going long enough to get several items off you. 

The last couple of governments have worked really well at that, one grabbing the ILF money whilst another takes much of the AtW and yet another cuts the ESA and someone else cuts the healthcare.  But it's ok, the front man is being kind and helpful and reassuring.

Please let me keep my image.  Seeing Esther McVey's face when I think of Santa is disturbing.   >yikes<
Title: Re: PIP All 1.6 million claims to be reviewed
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 03 Feb 2018 11:51AM
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Seeing Esther McVey's face when I think of Santa is disturbing.   >yikes<

 >lol<  the Internet being what it is, someone's probably already Photoshopped that very picture...