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Title: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 03 Apr 2018 07:15PM
Sent forms off with evidence got date through today.
They have given me a home assessment I really wanted a centre based assessment.
Is this normal for them to give home ones?
Itís on the 17th April.
I wanted centre as itís near where I used to live plusbit would get me out for a couple of hours lol.
Thankyou
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Monic1511 on 03 Apr 2018 07:44PM
Hi
I don't know if a home assessment is normal but all I would say is don't tidy up or change anything for the assessor and have someone with you if you can.
 >hugs<
Monic
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 03 Apr 2018 08:58PM
I wonít tidy up as I cannot do it and my son will be with me
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 03 Apr 2018 11:11PM
I suddenly thought how terribly funny it would be if someone who's either minimalist with a vengeance or a chaotic hoarder with clutter all over everything had a home assessment and didn't have a chair free to offer the assessor and made them stand.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Fiz on 04 Apr 2018 02:52PM
Oh my gosh I never thought about this! I've requested a home visit because I'd never manage to get myself into the city. But my living room is the one room in the whole house that's tidy. It's not got a lot in it but it looks smart. I live in my bed, and go into the kitchen to feed me and my dog and to let the dog out. The only time I go in my lounge or use it at all is when my CPN visits every 3/4 weeks. That's going to give the wrong impression isn't it? Shall I take them into my filthy cluttered kitchen and sit in there?!
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 04 Apr 2018 07:23PM
Definitely. 

I'm afraid I'm a bit more naughty than you, though.  I'd either park a dog in the sitting room or lock it with a notice on the door "Caution, do not enter until ceiling has been re-inspected"   >devil<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Monic1511 on 04 Apr 2018 08:39PM
Fiz
take them where you are most comfortable, it wont matter & if you spend most of your time in the kitchen go there
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 04 Apr 2018 09:22PM
Comfiest?  Got it!  Take them in the bathroom and soak in a nice warm bath whilst they sit on the bog!  (But only if Monic advises that it wouldn't adversely affect your assessment.)

 >run<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Monic1511 on 04 Apr 2018 10:28PM
 >lol< >lol<
You might get into bother for flashing and in my case I wouldnít want to traumatised anyone  ;-)
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Fiz on 05 Apr 2018 07:53AM
 >biggergrin<

I spend 23 hours of each 24 hours in bed, the kitchen is 1 hour probably making one mug of tea and getting us food. I could offer her a seat on the end of my bed, I think she could just about make her way that far into the room with all the mounds of clutter in my room but it hurts me to climb the stairs so I suspect I might choose the kitchen and stay on the ground floor.

I thought I could leave my morphine et al on the side. I can't believe I'm thinking like this. I rarely get dressed, I live in pj's. No point getting dressed if I'm housebound. I try to shower and dress the morning my CPN comes in case I smell which is likely but sometimes if my back is bad and it would be painful I either take maximum doses of painkillers and then an hour later shower and dress but sometimes I don't and just stay in my night clothes. If I'm low I don't care what I look like anyway. So I'm unsure whether even to get dressed as I rarely do. I can't remember whether I requested a female I will have to check my photocopied copy. Hopefully I wasn't in such a state with the form that I forgot. If a man turns up I'd probably cry about a man coming into my 'safe' space as they are a trigger for me. I know in my head that just because xh was violent and you never saw it coming so you had to be hyper alert and vigilant doesn't make every man like that. But no matter how many times I try and convince myself my fear is unfounded my whole body goes into terror mode and I cry. I have this once a year when the council send a man to check the boiler and every other year when my energy company come to check my meters. It took me 6 months of not showering before I could summon the courage to email the council to inform them my shower was broken because I knew a man would be coming. I can't use the bath because my back is too painful to bend and I can't get out once in there. So I'd made do with baby wipes for months and ignored my hair.

The idea of me having a bath while the consultation happens is funny. My loo is in a tiny room on its own and the bathroom is the room next door so I could picture them sat on the loo and me in the bath next door, talking to each other, had I been able to have a bath. I hope they need the loo while they're here, (unless they are male and I'll want them gone ASAP) because my bathroom is filthy. I can't clean the lower or higher shelves or the sides of the bath or the parts of the shower screen because I can't bend without pain.

I pushed through my fear to find a cleaner to do 2 hours cleaning a while back telling her I knew the house needed a lot more time to clean than 2 hours but that's all I could afford and just said to do what she could in the two hours but at the end she said she couldn't come back as there is too much to do in the house. I couldn't work that out because I was asking for 2 hours and even if she only managed one room or half a room, that was fine. I was just after an improvement. But that was highly embarrassing and I wished I'd never tried to get a cleaner. Plus my fear levels while she was in the house were awful. I need my house to feel 'safe' and having a stranger there ruined that and I was worried she'd go away and tell everyone she knew about the state of my house.

The kitchen it is then. Maybe I will ask them to mop the floor to get the mud off that the dog walks in from the garden. I can't lift a bucket needed for the mop. So the floors in my kitchen and bathroom are filthy. But I don't eat off them. I can't believe I'm owning up to the state of my house. There'll be half the fur of a golden retriever spread around the floors of the house too.

I am absolutely dreading it but also want it over with as soon as possible. How much notice do they give you of the date?

Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 08 Apr 2018 03:20PM
I may just let the dogs stay in in. As for chair there are only 3 in my house. So they will have to stand up lol.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 08 Apr 2018 05:06PM
 >lol<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Fiz on 12 Apr 2018 07:32AM
Bub, how are you feeling at the moment about Wednesday? I hope you have lots to distract you.  >hugs<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Fiz on 16 Apr 2018 05:25PM
I will be thinking of you tomorrow bub (Tues). I hope it all goes well.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 16 Apr 2018 05:40PM
Bub - last minute reminder - show it how it really is - don't put on that brave face that we tend to put on automatically when we meet strangers.

And keep telling yourself that whilst ideally they'll see how bad it is now, there's an appeal process if they don't write a fair report. 

 >bighugs<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Fiz on 18 Apr 2018 07:10AM
How did it go bub? 
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 18 Apr 2018 09:37AM
I had a young man who was a physiotherapist. Very nice and polite asked me is I wanted to see what was being written listened to what I had to say. Done a little physical which I could only do with my left side.
Did keep apologise for asking so many questions.
When he finished he said it is obvious you have a long term condition. Plus he said the  dwp like to keep check so may ask for another assessment in the future.
He was here for about an hour.
Apparently because of everything thing I had sent with my form that is why they decided on home visit.
Waiting game now. Said could be up to 6 weeks before I hear. It wasnít very long from when I sent Form back to assessment date so I am hoping it wonít be that long.
Hopefully the news will be good news when I get it.
When should I ask for a copy of the report?

Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 18 Apr 2018 09:38AM
Forgot to add I found this a lot less stressful than ESA one.
Do they back date money if you get it? Or does it start from when they make the decision?
Thankyou for all of your support
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Fiz on 18 Apr 2018 05:53PM
Well done bub. That sounds really positive and hopeful.  You coped amazingly by the sounds of it.  >thumbsup<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 18 Apr 2018 06:20PM
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When should I ask for a copy of the report?

I would be inclined to wait for the decision first - and any award will be backdated to the date you first applied for the benefit.  Glad you had a pleasant-mannered assessor!
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 18 Apr 2018 06:31PM
I just answered honestly
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 18 Apr 2018 06:37PM
I hate waiting for decisions
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: SteveX on 18 Apr 2018 08:10PM
Fingers crossed for you!
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Monic1511 on 18 Apr 2018 08:44PM
Hi Bub
He will send a report to the DWP who will look at it and make the decision,  this is the bit that takes 6 weeks, once you get the decision if its a bad decision you would ask for the report then.

At least that part is over

 >hugs<
Monic
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 20 Apr 2018 04:37PM
Had text to say they had received my report and I should hear within 4 weeks
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Fiz on 20 Apr 2018 06:13PM
Brilliant, again that's very positive.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 20 Apr 2018 08:33PM
At least it wonít be long now to find out my fate.
I meant to say that I did also give him a copy of a letter I received last Saturday from one of my consultants with results of my X-ray for hands and feet saying that they had deteriorated considerably in a short time. So that came in handy.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 20 Apr 2018 09:00PM
I donít expect to get it as I know people who are worst than me didnt get it.
It doesnít matter how nice they were. At least I was treated with respect regardless of outcome
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Fiz on 21 Apr 2018 09:43AM
I wouldn't necessarily go on what other people's awards are. There is a variation of awards depending on who the DWP decision maker is. I know this because the DWP representative who attended my DLA tribunal said so. He said my previous award was incorrect and that their decision maker had decided I should receive the highest DLA care award. Which when questioned by the judge, the DWP admitted that their decision maker had made an error. So let's hope you get a nice decision maker! I think they've gone to a lot of trouble to see you at home given your evidence and I'd be very surprised if you weren't given an award anyway. I tend to think the worst myself too though. That way things can't be any worse than you expect so you protect yourself from any disappointment. It's a defence mechanism that I use all the time.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 21 Apr 2018 10:55AM
Fiz I think like you to. Lol
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 21 Apr 2018 01:21PM
Please, please, please if you don't get it, don't go into meltdown like I did.  I got kind emotional support here to pick myself up and apply for a reconsideration and prepare for an appeal, but you can get that by not hitting rock bottom like I did.

Prepare yourself for the possibility you'll need to ask for a reconsideration or even appeal whilst reminding yourself that there's a good chance you won't have to and that if you do, you're plugged in here to sources of information and help to get through the system to get what you're entitled to.

Also, if you don't get it, be prepared for absurd reasons.  Please don't let that fry your brain like I did, it's good because it makes appealing easier if their reasoning is nonsense.

I.e. if you don't get it at this stage, there are more bites of the cherry, so there's a safety net. Hope for now and hope for later.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 22 Apr 2018 03:59PM
This is the first time I have claimed it. So havenít had it so wonít miss it if I donít get it while I take things further.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 22 Apr 2018 04:09PM
 >thumbsup<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 24 Apr 2018 11:57AM
Phoned up today for a copy of the report even though no decision has been made yet.
Report being put in the post today. Thatís one step I wonít have to do when I get the decision
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 26 Apr 2018 04:46PM
Got copy of report very good at end it says to be reviewed in 2 years.
Looks like scored me for daily living 12 and mobility 10.
Say I get it do I have to notify ESA people or is that done automatically?
Not counting chickens yet as down to DM
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Monic1511 on 26 Apr 2018 08:34PM
Hi Bub
wait until you get an award letter and then you contact ESA and tell them what you have been awarded and from what date.  If you get any daily living award then you need to tell them that no one claims carers allowance for you and that you live alone.  if that's correct you would get another £62.45 added to your ESA as long as you don't live in a full service area for Universal credit.

Monic
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 26 Apr 2018 10:17PM
Thankyou Monic.
I wasnít sure if they were told automatically.
I am in support group of esa.
As said not counting chickens just yet as itís down to DM.?
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 29 Apr 2018 12:26AM
I donít think we are due for full services universal credit till 2019
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 29 Apr 2018 12:13PM
If on other benefits will not be transferred to universal credit till 2019.
Shall I not tell esa then if I get pip?
I am not bothered about sdp?
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 29 Apr 2018 03:47PM
At present our area is full service universal credit area so what happens if I tell esa I am in support group eyc
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Monic1511 on 29 Apr 2018 07:01PM
Bub
First check if you are full service are at this website by putting in your postcode https://universalcreditinfo.net/

You say that your area doesn't become full service till 2019 if that's correct then if you are awarded PIP you must tell ESA as its £64.30 a week or if you were transferred £278.63 per month.
All my answers depend on if you are CURRENTLY in a full service area so let me know that first before I go off on a rant  >whistle<

Monic
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 29 Apr 2018 08:58PM
Says universal credit is available in my postcode and is part of the full service Thankyou monic
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Monic1511 on 30 Apr 2018 07:40PM
As you are in a full service area I will need to do some digging to find out if an award of PIP is classed as a change of circumstances.
thanks
Monic >hugs<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 30 Apr 2018 08:09PM
I just followed that link.  I'm in a full service area and transferred from DLA to PIP last year.  I went for review, but that was to go from standard to enhanced, which I got on review in January.  The original migration was in the autumn, though, and there was no suggestion of migrating me to UC even though the DLA ->PIP migration was originally to a lower rate PIP than DLA so in theory they might have tried to argue I'd improved.

Having said that, a couple of weeks ago, I phoned and asked to stop my IR ESA claim because of my inheritance, so I shan't be migrating to UC anyway, but that's still about 6 months post DLA->PIP migration with no ESA->UC migration.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 30 Apr 2018 08:15PM
I do hope itís not a change of circumstances.
I donít want to go onto universal credit yet I would rather lose th sdp.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Monic1511 on 30 Apr 2018 08:31PM
This document was made for Newcastle and there is a bullet point at the end that I think is relevant https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/sites/default/files/wwwfileroot/benefits-and-council-tax/welfare-rights-and-money-advice/what_triggers_a_claim_for_universal_credit_in_a_full_service_area_0.pdf
i The principle is that if on a Ďlegacy benefití and it does not mean a claim for another Ďlegacy benefití, then they remain on the Ďlegacy benefití.

That says to me - if on income related ESA and awarded PIP then the income related ESA should increase - there would be no change in circumstances
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 30 Apr 2018 09:11PM
Thankyou monic sorry to be a pain
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Monic1511 on 30 Apr 2018 09:16PM
 >bighugs< You are not a pain, itís just UC is a nightmare and where I work itís not full service yet so I donít have enough experience to say for sure what is right and what is not.
Take care
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: SteveX on 30 Apr 2018 09:57PM
Says universal credit is available in my postcode and is part of the full service Thankyou monic

Monic is a real gem isn't she?  I don't know what we'd do without her, I know she's helped me hugely in the past.  >thumbsup<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 30 Apr 2018 10:24PM
Steady on there, Steve, we mustn't let it go to Monic's head.  We mustn't let her realise just how much we appreciate her.  If it dawned on her that that the help she's given to us has probably made a significant difference to most of us financially, she might start asking for a cut.

 >run<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 30 Apr 2018 11:00PM
I would pay her for all of her help.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Monic1511 on 01 May 2018 10:13PM
 >thankyou<
Thanks Guys

Bub - I have an answer for you - if you get a PIP award you just tell ESA and it will not trigger a change to UC as you are not claiming a new benefit.  All we need to do now is wait for the decision notice

thanks  >hugs<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 01 May 2018 11:10PM
Thankyou monic you are a star.⭐️Hopefully I wonít have to wait to long.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 03 May 2018 08:50PM
Had another text from dwp same as I had on 20 the 20th April we have your assessment report and will let you know in about 4 weeks so another 4 weeks I think from this week
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 05 May 2018 05:25PM
Hadbletter today to say we have all the information we need to decide your claim for i
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Fiz on 06 May 2018 07:29AM
What a bizarre letter, what are they doing, praying about it?!
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 06 May 2018 12:22PM
I donít know 2 texts and a letter probably so behind they are trying to keep people from phoning them up and chasing them
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 06 May 2018 01:49PM
When I got that letter, I got it before I'd been given an assessment date, so I took it as telling me that I wouldn't need an assessment, but  if you've got a date for an assessment, I also consider it an odd sort of letter.  Bog standard, I suppose.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 06 May 2018 03:08PM
Hi have had assessment also I have got the assessment report.
Had assessment on 17th April.
Just waiting for outcome now.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 06 May 2018 06:02PM
What a bizarre letter, what are they doing, praying about it?!

 >lol<  I think the computer chucks it out as standard, like Sunny says!   >x-fingers< for a good decision,  Bub  >rainbow2<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Monic1511 on 06 May 2018 08:07PM
Hi
As Kizzy says its a standard letter and just means that the info is in the decision makers to do pile.

 >hugs<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 08 May 2018 09:03PM
Telephoned pip today I am impatient lol. I have been awarded enhanced daily living and standard mobility awarded till 2021. Apparently decision made Friday.
Nice lady told me to telephone esa and also see about a blue badge.
I should receive letter by end of week plus backdated money from February.
Thankyou everyone
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 08 May 2018 09:12PM
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I have been awarded enhanced daily living and standard mobility awarded till 2021.

 >thumbsup< >magic< >bubbly<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: auntieCtheM on 08 May 2018 09:45PM
Thank goodness.  That is about as good as you are ever likely to get.  *hug*
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 12 May 2018 03:12PM
No letter from pip people but they have paid back money into my account.
I did today however have a letter from esa people saying that pip is not counted as income.
It also states that my rate of esa is the same as I have been getting.
I will though telephone them next week when I receive the pip letter even though they know I am getting pip.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 12 May 2018 07:21PM
Whew!  I hate waiting for letters, but at least the money's coming through, so it's looking like you're nearly there with the wretched process.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 12 May 2018 07:31PM
Looking through some bits I see I may not be able to get sdp on esa as I have my son living with me ( non dependent). I donít really mind if I donít get it.
But I will telephone them to tell them I am getting pip. Even though judging by the letter they already know.
I am grateful for anything I get as I know how hard it is.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Monic1511 on 12 May 2018 09:08PM
Hi Bub
I didn't know your son lived with you, I thought you lived alone.  If your son was on DLA middle rate care or PIP daily living you could get SDP.  If he earns less than £120/week he could claim carers allowance for you, also there should be no non dependent deduction for housing benefit if the tenant gets DLA/PIP.  Let your council know if you get housing benefit that PIP has been awarded and they should remove any non dep deduction if its in place.
 >thumbsup<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Fiz on 13 May 2018 01:06PM
I had exactly the same bub when I had children living with me. Lost £60 and they couldn't afford to give me that much themselves while in education so I was paying for more people than me on less money. And one children wouldn't have helped me in the tiniest way and the other did walk the dog though but neither could be described as caring for me so I don't understand the logic. I'm better off now, paying the under occupancy charge but having no one here.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 13 May 2018 02:45PM
Thatís ok monic. Will get onto the council.
He doesnít earn that much but is always willing to help.
We have been through so much together ( I left my ex husband years ago and we left with just what clothes we were wearing and I did 3 jobs to give us a decent life).
As I said the money isnít everything. I hadnít counted on getting pip let alone the extra esa.
As I know getting any sort of benefit or help is hard now.
Thankyou everyone
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: ally on 13 May 2018 06:58PM
Bub1 I'm happy that your assessment went well, and, you have the award you deserve.  Sometimes. When I read of what others go through on this forum, i feel very lucky.  I think I've led what you'd call a sheltered life,  compared to some on here.  Again, I'm pleased for you   >thumbsup<
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: bub1 on 14 May 2018 02:20PM
I finally got the letter today. Nice to see in black and white.
Scored 14 for daily living and 10 for mobility which I am happy about.
I was pleased with the report anyway. I will now apply for a blue badge which will make it easier when my son takes me to appointments etc.,
I would like to thank everyone for their help and my fingers are crossed for everyone that is waiting to hear.
Title: Re: Got my PIP Assessment Date
Post by: Fiz on 14 May 2018 05:27PM
 >thumbsup<  >hugs<