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Title: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 11 Dec 2018 08:10PM
Well I got a 2 year award in January of this year but the 2 years went from 4th December 2017 and said they will contact me again after 4th December 2018. So realistically its an 11 month award as I will have to do it all again any day now.
Anyone know how soon after this date (4th Dec 2018) they will contact? I am dreading this process again so soon. I was made very ill with it all right up until January when I got my award. I went from an indefinite DLA award to this and twice in a year is just too much.
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Fiz on 12 Dec 2018 08:36AM
If you obtained your award at a tribunal they may well leave you alone or a lot longer unless you have a condition that may have improved. I obtained my ESA award in 2013 at Tribunal and haven't seen or heard anything about a new assessment since.
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 12 Dec 2018 09:48AM
Paradox,

I am sorry about the stress you are under and can see how upsetting the situation of waiting can be. I remember something about other people getting a Dec date in their award and it having something to do with the DWP routinely contacting people then and not peoples awards. I will see if I can find it  >hugs<
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Monic1511 on 12 Dec 2018 07:38PM
Hi
there is no set time scale and the DWP seem to rewrite the rules to suit themselves.
You are meant to get your renewal form 6 months before the current award ends and I believe that's why your stressed out. 

What I would be doing is getting all the evidence together, looking at the criteria and where possible getting up to date letters.  DWP assume that every one gets better and that medical conditions must be continually treated and always improve.  It always reminds me of that saying don't assume as all there is between me and an ass is U.

if you haven't heard by June 2019 and your award is due to end in December 2019 then I would contact them and ask for an up to date award statement, not to report a change but tell them the council needs an up to date award for their records. 
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 12 Dec 2018 11:29PM
Fiz, No it was an award after my f2f interview.

Thank you Sunshine Meadows

Thanks Monic1511 I have some things together already and will make sure I get everything ready in advance. Yes they do see to vary things. Some seem to get it a year in advance some 6 months.
All mine says is they will contact me after 4th December 2018 which is a year before my award runs out and 11 months after I got notice of the award.
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 13 Dec 2018 07:39AM
Paradox,

I could not find the information I was looking for so I looked for more about PIP. I agree with Monic's advice and also want to add the folowing.

This is advice for people in England sorry I am not sure where you are.

How much PIP you can get and for how long click here (https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/before-claiming/how-much-you-get-and-how-long/)


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The DWP should write to you 14 weeks (roughly 3 months) before your award is due to end, reminding you to make a new claim. It can take the DWP a long time to process a new claim so itís a good idea to make your new claim before your old one ends. You can do this up to 6 months before your old one ends. This will also help prevent any break in your PIP payments while you wait for a decision on your new claim

Your PIP could be reviewed by the DWP at any time, though itís most likely to happen about a year before your award is due to end
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 13 Dec 2018 08:01AM
Something else I read yesterday was that DLA was all about the conditions a person has and PIP is about what people can and can't do. This made me think if a person is good at managing their disability or as Monic was saying on another thread if a person sees it as part of life eg getting old then they are going to have a harder time claiming PIP.

I have not been called to move over from DLA to PIP yet but when I do I am going to think about how my able bodied sister would do something and how I do something. For example to make a cup of coffee my sister fills the kettle, gets milk out of the  fridge and makes a coffee. Whereas for part of the day I can't lift the kettle to the sink so I use bottled water, I have to put some of that cold water into my travel mug so the coffee is not too hot to drink, I usually spill some sugar and coffee granules because I shake but wont be able to clean up the mess, it is difficult to get the travel mug lid on but once it is on I can lay the drink on its side and wheelchair myself back to the sitting room. I almost forgot I would need to mention I dont have milk because it adds an extra difficulty I cant do without. My wheelchair has power assist electric wheels. Luckily for me I live with Mr Sunshine and he makes almost all of my drinks however if just said that it would not be telling the the DWP why or how my disability is affecting me. 

(When I was a kid a family friend used to call me The Lady of Leisure because I did not get up always jump up and make a drink or whatever society and my family thought I should do back then - sorry old wounds for me to deal with )
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Monic1511 on 13 Dec 2018 09:27AM
When filling out a form I look at the points and decide which is appropriate to that person and then try to explain.  For example my client with a learning disability can heat food in a microwave but canít read the settings so everything gets cooked for multiples of 3 minutes, so I explain the difficulties he has with food preparation, doesnít understand why you peel or chop food and how to cook it, Iím really looking for the 4 points criteria but will probably only get the 2 points for can cook with a microwave, I donít think he can as he canít prepare a meal that needs 4 minutes.
This is why I suggest getting the criteria as itís different to DLA in several ways.
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 14 Dec 2018 10:50PM
Hi well its happened!
My PIP review has come through! 11 months and 3 weeks before my award is up and 11 months exactly since i was told of my award which was for 2 years but dated 4th December 2017 (I got the award through the post on 15th January 2018) So yes they do contact a year before the award is finished. So I am now for the second time in a year going through this process again. I got High rate mobility and high rate daily living last time when they transferred me over from DLA indefinite award. From that to this, its a disgrace and affecting my health badly.
So I got it today 14th December and I must have the form and suporting evidence in by the 4th January. Taking account Christmas and New year, it leaves me no time at all to get this all done. I have just had enough. This time last year I was doing a double PIP and ESA review at the same time...and now this!
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 15 Dec 2018 09:04AM
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So yes they do contact a year before the award is finished.

Sneaky barstewards.  Now I am also worried as my PIP award letter said 'we will contact you some time after January 2019' (my award ends proper in December 2019)...

Sorry you have to deal with this at the worst possible time of year for such things - I went through it all myself in the DLA-to-PIP transfer before Christmas two years ago, so I understand how maddening it is, can't they just leave us alone until nearer the actual end date?  >doh< 

And yes, it is a disgrace and seems to me like a thinly-veiled attempt by the DWP to try and find more people they can 'nil award' - saving money on the disability benefits bill again with no regard to the immense stress their practices subject us to  >erm<
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 15 Dec 2018 09:10AM
..an afterthought:  as you receive enhanced rate for both PIP components, I would have thought it unlikely you'd go from that to nothing!
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 15 Dec 2018 09:17AM
KizzyKazaer They are truly evil! Imagine sending that out in the Christmas period, taking a week of my 4 weeks to get it all done just to get it to me and effectively giving me about 10 days to get it done taking into account Royal Mail non posting days over Xmas and New year and of course the delays that happen this time of year too. If my form gets there late they stop my money but they take no account of anything. Seeing as its nearly a year until my award end, why not send it in the new year! There can only be bad reasons for it and that's to make it as hard as possible. I have to get this off before Xmas because I cannot risk it getting caught up during the holiday period. Its just not fair!
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 15 Dec 2018 09:23AM
KizzyKazaer Yes logically you would think its a review just to check if my condition has changed....reality is its a look to see if they can cut or stop my award. I would accept if this thing was honest and done to actually look at needs. We all know its purely to cut benefits and its a random game of who you get for an assessment and luck.
I should keep my award, but I cannot assume that. To give me what is basically a one year award in reality, from and indefinite DLA award and when I got high points on both mobility and daily living I think is a joke.
Its malicious and done with no care at all, just accountancy at work!
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 15 Dec 2018 09:48AM
Horrible news and I am sorry I was wrong. 

The Government and DWP have been made to change different aspects of Personal Independence Payment the most recent being the one related to mental health and the mobility component. Thing is the you are right ever time we claim or have a review or award can be cut or stopped altogether. 

Going from Indefinite DLA to the equivalent PIP award but the award being so short makes no sense.
>bighugs<
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Fiz on 15 Dec 2018 03:27PM
Paradox, I'm really sorry that you are having to go through is this again so soon. And what a miserable time of year for it. I hope that you have everything you need to complete the form filling be that help, energy, concentration, literally whatever.  >x-fingers<
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 16 Dec 2018 07:25AM
Thank you everyone. I can only do my best now. I have some supporting information to send but getting new things in the next 8 days is not going to be easy so its going to be mostly things I sent last time.
Even the review form is a joke. They have removed the No change box just to make it harder to get across that you're saying things are the same as a year ago. I am going to write it in and make it clear instead and add details of how I still am and what help and assistance I need.
Sunshine Meadows, no its fine, its not that you were wrong, none of us can ever know for sure, they change what they do all the time.
Thank you Fiz
This is the second Christmas I have been doing reviews and I already know next Christmas I will be doing an ESA review too. So that's 3 in a row, Its just not fair. They make Scrooge look like a Humanitarian!
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Fiz on 16 Dec 2018 01:36PM
I'm very hoping you're wrong about next Christmas but I'm pleased this one is done by Christmas so you can try to place it in the back of your mind and then think about Christmas and family and relax and enjoy as much as is possible.
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 18 Mar 2019 09:23PM
UPDATE!
Well I sent my completed PIP review form and lots of supporting evidence on the 18th December 2018
I have heard nothing at all for 3 months! Last time I had a face to face appointment within 3 weeks.
Today after 13 weeks of nothing I got an appointment for a face to face next week!
Totally gutted. I was hoping after all this time they may give an award without a medical...especially
as I had one only 12 months before the new review arrived! I got full mobility and daily living last time
and I cannot see what gain there is to put me through that again. But there is no logic to this anyway!
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 19 Mar 2019 09:17PM
Putting you through another f-to-f does indeed sound pointless, not to mention the unnecessary stress it causes you - but if your last f-to-f resulted in a decision of enhanced rate for both components, all might not be lost yet... Good luck for next week >x-fingers<
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 20 Mar 2019 08:26PM
Thank you. I'm dreading it but I can only do my best and hope
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Frances on 23 Mar 2019 02:53PM
Hope you are Ok , Hanging about not good for stress !! Just thinking everyone seems to be asleep on here these days . I pop in most days  so if you need to chat just message. >hugs<
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Monic1511 on 24 Mar 2019 04:58PM
I come in every day at night to check if anyone needs anything but there are few new posts.

As for the PIP review as a WRO I get lots of clients refused at renewal but that can be because of the form.  The form asks are you better or worse than when you originally applied.   That doesn't take into account the fact that clients cant remember what happened when they last applied.  Some folk tick no change but fail to tell the person filling in the form that they were refused and had to go to appeal to get an award.  I prefer to put stories in all the boxes but that might be wrong as well.

Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 24 Mar 2019 09:37PM
I've sent in so much supporting evidence and gave a full run down added to the very poor review form.
Dreading the face to face this week, but no choice. I have an ESA review due in December too. It will be my third Christmas in a row ruined by worrying about reviews!
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Fiz on 26 Apr 2019 05:59PM
How did you get on paradox? I hope you are okay
Title: Re: UPDATE TO MY NIGHTMARE! PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 27 Apr 2019 09:40AM
Hi All.
Well this is my update!
The Face to face seemed to go ok although very stressful. The centre was running late and eventually I got in an 1 hour 20mins late. He seemed friendly, had a mental health background and as I have mental and physical problems I hoped that would help. It ended, he said I would hear in 4 to 6 weeks.
Last week I got a letter saying they had all they need now to make a decision and I would hear soon...this was dated 15th April.
Yesterday I noticed my PIP money had gone in but was around £3 short. I called up PIP to try find out why. The guy was very helpful and started digging into my file and at first he thought it was just some kind of adjustment. He then asked have I recently finished my Motability deal ( I have a mobility vehicle to get around) I said no....he dug deeper and found they have reduced my daily Living and Mobility down to standard on both, from Enhanced on both! and they had sent my award notice on the 16th! It was 26th yesterday, 10 days later and I have had nothing!
So now I will be losing my car, have my rates reduced and face appealing etc! I am devastated!
He read out bits to me...they lied!!! I was in my transit wheelchair the whole time, My carer was pushing me, I never left the seat and they claimed I can walk 20-50 metres! There are other things too which they lied about but until I get the award I cant say exactly what else.
So I had 30 days to ask for a reconsideration, I am now 11 days into it, no award notice, awaiting news about them taking my care away from me and stuck on reduced money and time running out!
I told them on the phone I want a reconsideration, which he noted  and I will send it in writing as soon as I can.
I am still in shock. I have been on high rate DLA and PIP for 20 years! Now they have lied and I am going to be housebound. Not sure how much more I can take.
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: huhn on 27 Apr 2019 03:41PM
 >hugs<  >hugs<  >hugs<  >hugs<  >hugs<  >hugs<  >hugs<  >hugs<  >hugs<  >hugs<  >hugs<  >hugs<  >hugs<  >hugs< that is very bad, fight back and be strong for it.
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 27 Apr 2019 04:07PM
Thank you, I am trying to  :-(
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 27 Apr 2019 04:43PM
You had to hang around for well over an hour for your assessment?  That in itself is disgraceful - can you just imagine the response if we turned up that late?? >doh<

As for the reduction in your award and the ridiculous business of saying you can walk x far when you obviously cannot:  I understand that to have to push for your original entitlement must be looking like yet another mountain to climb, metaphorically speaking, but it seems like something you will have to see through to the end.  Well done for putting in the reconsideration, that's the start.  Sending you strength and you can always have a rant here  >bighugs<
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: ally on 27 Apr 2019 06:30PM
Have you asked for the assessors report?  Once you have that, go back through the report, and, look at the points the assessor has scored you on.  Compare what you've wrote on the pip form to what the assessor has wrote.  If you find any discrepancies, use medical evidence to back up your argument as to why you should be awarded the points.  Then, concentrate on considering whether you have properly explained your problems on your claim form, is it possible that you have misunderstood the Descriptors? , described your problems in terms that do not match the Descriptors?  or, failed to make appropriate use of the reliability criteria.  Reliability has four components each of which must be satisfied in order for an activity to be undertaken ‘reliably’ Safely, to an acceptable standard, repeatedly,  and, in a reasonable time.  Your limitations must be present on the majority of days over a 12 month period. 

Good luck with filling in your mandatory reconsideration.  Hopefully  someone on here will be able,to help you with that.  X
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Monic1511 on 27 Apr 2019 09:13PM
When you eventually get the decision notice sit down with the points and write down where they have told lies and the state why you meet the 12 pointers

Sorry I havenít posted much due to a family situation but take care and donít let the buggers win.  >hugs<
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Fiz on 28 Apr 2019 09:30AM
Oh paradox I'm so sorry you're being put through this. Especially as quite clearly the report is lies. Once your appeal is over put a complaint in about the health professional for lying to their governing body GMC/HCPC in the that the health professional who told lies (proved by the tribunal overturning their decision and the discrepancies between their assessment and the clear facts and hopefully they too will get a warning. Or being removed from the register if they've done this before.
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 28 Apr 2019 06:05PM
Hi everyone and thank you all for the helpful advice and good wishes.
I have the report. Some of the lies are astounding! lots of them!
I have gone through it bit by bit, outlined all thats wrong, stated yet again
what I am able to do and what I cant etc etc....all backed up yet again with medical
evidence.
One of the most shocking things in it is the assessor commented that I was in my wheelchair
the entire time i was there....my carer indeed pushed me in and stayed with me.
He then commented that taking into account the medication i take and my muscular loss
he decided I can walk more than 20 metres but not more than 50 metres! Despite me not taking a step the entire
time and despite not examining my muscular loss etc! Its based on nothing more than a massive assumption for
which he had no evidence whatsoever! He has no way of judging my pain levels from that assumption and no way of establishing I can do this safely, repeatedly etc etc.....I simply couldn't! I have been on enhanced level on mobility for 19 years now, both DLA and PIP until this latest review.
I will be sending off my pack to them tomorrow. I had help getting it all done over the weekend.
The whole thing is a disgrace!
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 01 May 2019 10:42AM
Update - I received the Heath Professional's report and its even worse than the decision maker report!
He actually stated in his opinion I can walk 50-200 metres! Incredible!! They agreed last time I can only walk 1 to 20 metres! I am seething!! So many lies in it and even more than was in the decision makers award.
My pack of documents for the mandatory reconsideration was delivered yesterday. Lets see what comes of that.
I am mentally and physically drained. I have an ESA review in 6 months too. Its never ending!
 
Hi everyone and thank you all for the helpful advice and good wishes.
I have the report. Some of the lies are astounding! lots of them!
I have gone through it bit by bit, outlined all thats wrong, stated yet again
what I am able to do and what I cant etc etc....all backed up yet again with medical
evidence.
One of the most shocking things in it is the assessor commented that I was in my wheelchair
the entire time i was there....my carer indeed pushed me in and stayed with me.
He then commented that taking into account the medication i take and my muscular loss
he decided I can walk more than 20 metres but not more than 50 metres! Despite me not taking a step the entire
time and despite not examining my muscular loss etc! Its based on nothing more than a massive assumption for
which he had no evidence whatsoever! He has no way of judging my pain levels from that assumption and no way of establishing I can do this safely, repeatedly etc etc.....I simply couldn't! I have been on enhanced level on mobility for 19 years now, both DLA and PIP until this latest review.
I will be sending off my pack to them tomorrow. I had help getting it all done over the weekend.
The whole thing is a disgrace!
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: Monic1511 on 01 May 2019 04:01PM
 >hugs< The mr will take on average 28 days so try and forget about it for a wee while, difficult as they have cut your money but for own sanity try to ignore it.
Title: Re: PIP review pending...
Post by: paradox on 01 May 2019 11:05PM
Thank you for the advice, yes you are right, I really must try and take a step  back for a while.