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Forum => Welfare Rights => Topic started by: bub1 on 03 Nov 2015 11:24AM

Title: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 03 Nov 2015 11:24AM
Further to my other post Friday is fast approaching for my WCA.
I have got my bundle of evidence to take with me. What I have also done is do another copy bundle to send to the DWP decision maker on Friday so they have all the same evidence. As I do not trust the assessors.
Is this a good idea?

Will keep you all updated.

Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 03 Nov 2015 11:41AM
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Is this a good idea?

Well, it can't hurt, knowing how post can sometimes go astray!  And you also have a copy of everything to keep yourself, I am assuming  ;-)

All the best for Friday  >x-fingers<
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 03 Nov 2015 11:53AM
Yes I have copied for myself to.
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: NeuralgicNeurotic on 03 Nov 2015 08:26PM
Good luck, bub. >x-fingers< >clover<
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 04 Nov 2015 06:19PM
I hope it goes well  >thumbsup<

There is usually a wait around before you see the assessor and this allows them to observe you eg how long you can sit while in the waiting room. It will be worth taking something to drink because all they had where I went was a water cooler which I could not manage to use.

Is someone going with you?

Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 04 Nov 2015 08:47PM
Yes someone is taking me as I can't travel alone and on public transport. I don't intend to wait around to long as standing for along time is impossible also I can't sit on low chairs and can't sit for more than 15 mins without having to get up because of pain.
They haven't even got a drinks machine there. I have been there before so I know the layout.

Getting nervous and bit stressed about it now. I have had an upset tum all day
 
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 05 Nov 2015 10:30AM
Also its not that I do not want to work I just can't at present. I am hoping that in 6 months time everything will be sorted etc shall I say this tomorrow
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 05 Nov 2015 12:29PM
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I am hoping that in 6 months time everything will be sorted etc shall I say this tomorrow

I personally wouldn't - it might provide them with an excuse to give you as short-lived an award as possible, then you'll have to go through all this malarkey again in another few months!
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 05 Nov 2015 02:33PM
I won't mention it then.
They will love me tomorrow I have a cold and chest infection so back on antibiotics and steroids.  >biggrin<
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Sunshine on 05 Nov 2015 06:45PM
Good Luck  >x-fingers<
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: NeuralgicNeurotic on 05 Nov 2015 08:07PM
 >hugs<
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Monic1511 on 05 Nov 2015 08:19PM
Good Luck

when you talk about what you do during the day please don't say "i go shopping" or if your asked do you socialise - one person mentioned that they like to go to music concerts so it says in the appeal papers - went to a concert last month with friend. so no problem with standing or sitting for 2 - 3 hours, can use public transport and no problem in social events or crowded places, not quite refecting an agoraphobic person with anxiety issues  >doh<

the other favourite is "visited relative who lives in village 90 minutes drive away at least once a week"  that came from person sees / speaks to relative once a week and relative lives 20 miles away but the implication is first if they drove then the can sit and concentrate for 90 minutes, they have no problem sitting for extended periods, can go places on their own and have no problem socialising  >yikes<


I am not trying to scare you really - just give as little information as possible and insist your person sits in the corner of the room and says nothing so that you can compare notes when you leave

Good luck
Monic
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 05 Nov 2015 08:36PM
Thankyou. I don't go shopping. Also don't go out unless hospital appts. Don't visit relatives.

Thankyou for your help
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 05 Nov 2015 08:56PM
I can't even get in the bath and don't have a shower so rely on someone to help me wash etc put on trousers socks shoes etc. I can't use sock aids as hands cant pull it up.

My appointment is at 1pm
 
I have copies of everything ready in an envelope for my son to post off to the dwp.

Will let you know how I get on.
Title: WCA Today Guess what happened?
Post by: bub1 on 06 Nov 2015 03:42PM
Well last wca in Oct when I turned up was cancelled and another one was made for today 6th.
Turned up and was told that since last time my file had been returned to Wembley to the OCP Team ad my GP had sent them more evidence. And to wait for a new appointment.
Now I know they sent my gp an esa113 form in July which was returned.
So what does this mean now.

Also got there at 12.50 and it was packed even standing room was tight.

edit to merge new thread with existing one and also to edit out the caps lock in the title - Sunshine  :-)
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 06 Nov 2015 05:20PM
Taht is now two appointments cancelled by them on your arrival to the assessment centre how ridiculous of them when you are just a phone call away  >doh<

It is good that your GP sent back a recent ESA113 it should mean the information is up to date.

Do you know what OCP stands for?

(edit to merge new thread with existing one >thumbsup< -Sunshine.
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 06 Nov 2015 05:34PM
Thankyou  >biggrin<
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 06 Nov 2015 06:41PM
Don't know what OCP stands for. The only esa113 I know of was done and sent back in July.
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Monic1511 on 06 Nov 2015 09:19PM
bub

an email to your MP to ask if this is normal proceedure in your area to drag people with substantial disabilities to an "assessment Centre" only to cancel the appointment, its mental torture

I googled OCP in relation to ESA and found this in a document that appears to be a guide for the health care practitioner
Some work flows may be preceded by the term OCP (Off Critical Path),
i.e., OCP Pre-Board Check, OCP Scrutiny and OCP LCWRA Filework.
This  term  refers  to  further  filework  actions  on  a  case  where,  usually,
they  have  already  been  called  to  exam.  For  instance,  further
information  may  have  been  sent  in  by  the  client  for  consideration.
When  LiMA  opens  for  an  OCP  action,  the  option  to  ‘call  for  FME’  will
not be available.  lifted from https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=OCP+and+ESA+Medicals&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=qxk9Vs_dA8W3POGBmfgN

not sure is that will work but it might be what that means

best wishes

Monic
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 06 Nov 2015 09:39PM
We were just talking about what was said and exact words were file has gone back to Wembley for scrutiny by ocp team. So still don't understand
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 06 Nov 2015 10:15PM
As evidence has been received from gp and wait for another appointment.
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 12 Nov 2015 07:51PM
Update:
Received today another appointment only this time it also says hcp has arranged for a taxi to pick you up and also take your home after appointment.
I telephone them and was told that after reviewing extra evidence it was seen I needed a taxi as I could not use public transport.
I told them to cancel taxi as arrangement had been made for someone to take me as I need getting in and out of car.

We have been laughing about this as if they find me fit for work are they going to get me a taxi to take me to work and back.

Will keep you updated.
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 12 Nov 2015 09:28PM
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...after reviewing extra evidence it was seen I needed a taxi as I could not use public transport.

That could be good news for your claim...

Third time lucky for the actual appointment going ahead this time, eh?!
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 12 Nov 2015 09:36PM
You never know. Just wait and see when I get there. Will they take into consideration the appointment I have with the consultant on the 10 December to discuss what treatment I will be having for my left knee. Which could be a full knee replacement or keyhole surgery or extensive physio. It wasn't mentioned on esa50 as only developed after hip op. Ir will I have to put in a new claim for this one. Can it be included in MR or Appeal if necessary.

Thanks
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 12 Nov 2015 09:43PM
Bring it to their attention as new evidence to be used for this current claim...
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 13 Nov 2015 08:51AM
Thankyou. I have my paperwork ready from last time to take. This includes paperwork for appointment on 10th December.

I will if I have to go to MR and sign on jsa but invoke 13 week sick rule. Any advice on this.

Thanks
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Hurtyback on 14 Nov 2015 08:55PM
Thankyou. I have my paperwork ready from last time to take. This includes paperwork for appointment on 10th December.

I will if I have to go to MR and sign on jsa but invoke 13 week sick rule. Any advice on this.

Thanks


Don't present your fitnote when you first sign on, otherwise they will deny your claim.
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Monic1511 on 15 Nov 2015 10:55AM
Can we wait and see what the result is before I start thinking out the tactics for a JSA claim, cos it involves the wording of a claimant commitment please >dove<
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 15 Nov 2015 12:16PM
Ok. If it does happen need to sort quick as it is on 6th December and Xmas will be approaching and I can't afford to be without any money.
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Monic1511 on 15 Nov 2015 01:23PM
If the wca is on the 6th then you might not get a decision until 2 weeks later or they may change the decision before the wca based on the extra evidence pulled from your file.  Did you contact your mp at all, it could help the dwp to make a decision in your favour.
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 15 Nov 2015 02:27PM
Sorry 3rd December is my next appointment. They have already reviewed extra evidence that is why they approved taxi. But I have arranged own transport as need help getting in and out of car.

Will try and not to worry about it now.

Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 16 Nov 2015 03:58PM
Sorry to be a pain if they won't include the knee would this then be classed as a new condition as it occurred after I sent in esa50. On my last one they wouldn't include my left hip and I put in a new claim
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 16 Nov 2015 06:36PM
When did the issue with your knee start? If the answer is less than a year ago I am not sure the DWP will include it in the assessment because the knee could recover. It is likely the Consultant will suggest a treatment or op so my guess is the DWP are not going to include your knee in the assessment for at least six months.

Monic is right you need to look at what is immediately in front of you eg the assessment on the 3rd Dec. If you spend to much time planning for future steps you will end up coming across as shifty in the assessment.
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 16 Nov 2015 07:18PM
Thankyou.
Events were had hip op Sept 14 esa50 filled in early November 14 mentions on form that other hip was due to be done but didn't have date. On 7 April 15 had wca got 6 points for walking. On 20 April told failed. I put in for MR. Failed that. Even though I had a letter on the 9 th April saying my op would be May. I was told even though my hip op had been mentioned because I didn't have a date when form was done it couldn't be included.
I didn't appeal which I know I should not have done.
Therefore I could put in a new claim for the other op.
Esa50 filled in at end of may 15.

Problem with knee started in July 15. Confirmed diagnosis beginning of October 15.
So was not on form in may 15.

Do I mention it at assessment or not as I will nor know then what operation will be done on it or when.

Thanks
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Monic1511 on 16 Nov 2015 07:55PM
You mention it at assessment as a newer condition which now affects your mobility and if they don't acknowledge it then you can use it as a substantal deterioration in your condition.

When you mention "6 points for walking" its not walking that your marked on its mobilising using any aids or adaptations that you can reasonably use,   this might come across wrong but if you can't walk whats stopping you using your neck shoulders and or arms to mobilise using crutches, its that part you need to think about.  Whenever someone tells me they have bad knees or hips I ask if they have neck shoulder elbow or wrist problems and they think I'm nuts but thats what the DWP assessor has to do because of the way the legislation is written
sorry my typings getting worse so just copying this from the regs

1. Mobilising unaided by another person with or without a walking stick, manual wheelchair or other aid if such aid can reasonable be used.
Cannot either
A1.   mobilise more than 50 meters on level ground without stopping in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion; or
A2.   repeatedly mobilise 50 meters within a reasonable timescale because of significant discomfort or exhaustion.
both 15 points
b)   Cannot mount or descend two steps unaided by another person even with the support of a handrail.   9points
c)   Cannot either
1.   mobilise more than 100 meters on level ground without stopping in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion; or
2.   repeatedly mobilise 100 meters within a reasonable timescale because of significant discomfort or exhaustion.   9 points

d)   Cannot either
1.   Mobilise more than 200 meters on level ground without stopping in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion; or
2.   repeatedly mobilise 200 meters within a reasonable timescale because of significant discomfort or exhaustion.   6 points

The clincher is in the first part: Mobilising unaided by another person with or without a walking stick, manual wheelchair or other aid if such aid can reasonable be used



sorry Bub my heid is wasted an I'm away for some pain killers again be back tmorrow
 >dove< Monic
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 17 Nov 2015 04:39PM
Hi Monic thankyou. Hope your head is better. I do have problems with my hands which has got worse.
Really plays up when I use my crutches. 

I will mention every thing when I go and see what happens.

The only tine I am pain free for a while is when I lay down.

I know they also ask what a typical day is.

(sorry not a good time for me at present especially tomorrow as it is the anniversary of my mums passing)

Thankyou
 
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 29 Nov 2015 04:11PM
Well it will soon be time for another wca in 3rd December. I have got my bundle of paperwork ready to take. I have also sent copies to the decision maker at dwp. Just in case it doesn't get read at assessment. I have an appointment with my gp on Friday to let them know how it goes on Thursday.
I am hoping my hand is a bit better as having trouble gripping my crutches at the moment. Any advice for Friday.

Thanks
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Monic1511 on 29 Nov 2015 04:58PM
Hi,
Take someone with you, don't make a special effort and don't change your weekly routine, so if your normally out on Thursday which leaves you nackered just do that, you want the assessor to see you on a normal day. 
If your lucky you'll get a result in 2 -3 weeks
Good luck
Monic
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 29 Nov 2015 05:11PM
I am taking someone with me. I definitely won't change my routine as I am knackered most days. Just a quickie I can't sit on low chairs and need help getting on and off high chairs. Plus I can't stand or sit for long how shall I go about this on Thursday. The only time it eases is when I lay down. Then need help getting on and off bed and getting leg up.

Thanks for all your support and help.
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Monic1511 on 29 Nov 2015 09:22PM
The chairs at the assessment centre are likely to be the usual ones you get in a GP surgery so mid range,  just tell the assessor what you have said here, and if your asked to get onto the couch make sure you ask for assistance to do that, likewise taking your jacket off - get help with that or else it will say no shoulder problems as put on & took off coat with no difficult.

easy to say but try not to stress too much
 >thumbsup<
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 05 Dec 2015 03:44PM
Wca done 3/12/15.  Was in with assessor 30 mins. She just asked various questions. She had to help me on and off chair all through assessment. Read paperwork taken also noted on computer hospital appointment next week about knee. Made a note also about op and pulmonary rehabilitation. Just said at end that my hands had swelled up since being in there. Said I should hear in about 3 weeks. So waiting game now. I don't expect to pass. As people who are more ill than me don't pass. Was being in there a short space of time normal?

Will keep you updated.
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: Monic1511 on 05 Dec 2015 04:48PM
Hi bub
30 minutes isn't too short a time, the med report will go to her senior and then to the dwp so that's one trauma over, now it's just the long wait for the decision  >x-fingers<
Take care
Monic
Title: Re: D Day Friday
Post by: bub1 on 05 Dec 2015 05:19PM
Thankyou forgot to add she did have supervisor in the room with her
 but I didn't mind.