Contribution Based ESA

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 20 Sep 2012 10:36PM
Is esp, only for high rate care component ? Or is it middle as well, just wondered as ive never heard of it either

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 20 Sep 2012 11:04PM
Kizzy,

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plus it will 'passport' you to automatic free prescriptions, eye tests, dental treatment etc.

 >doh<  I was trying to think of what they called it when getting one benefit open doors to other benefits and there it is passporting'.

Breeze,

I think it is safe to say everyone on this thread who offered advice are glad of the thank yous and even more happy that we are able to help.

It is late in the evening for me to be posting but I just want to try to explain the contribution based benefit bit.

People who have paid enough National Insurance contributions while they were working are entitled to a certain amount of benefit whatever there income is. For example Mr Sunshine earns around 14000- 15000 a year and I get 105 Support Group ESA a week, if Mr Sunshine earned 40000 a year I would still get the same money. I cant claim Income Based ESA because our joint income is above the threshold the govenment set. However, if I lived on my own, I would still get the contribution based ESA because I am entitled to it and I believe because I am also in the Support Group I would have my entitlement to that added to what the government classes as the minimum income I can be expected to live on. I dont know this for sure because I dont know some one who has claimed who is in that position but it follows logically that it is likely I would get 105 contributions based ESA and 14.50 Income based ESA (because of an entitlement to the Enhanced Disibilty premium).

If anyone who has access to more definitive information on this please let use know and if possible supply a link.

For people who have been on Incapacity benefit for a long time this can all be very confusing because I dont think the government always explained the benefit to people getting it.

It sounds like we will know more when you do  >thumbsup<

Debs,

I agree with you about Citizen's Advice because while people here can advise and give an opinion which is mostly right we are mostly sick and disabled ourselves and are therefore not always able to be up to date.

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 21 Sep 2012 07:49AM
Is esp, only for high rate care component ? Or is it middle as well, just wondered as ive never heard of it either

EDP for other means-tested benefits is indeed only awarded if the claimant (or any partner or child) is receiving HR care component of DLA.  Middle rate care (and higher, of course) can attract another premium  - Severe Disability (SDP) subject to certain conditions, mainly based on if a person is defined by the DWP as 'living alone' (and nobody receives or has claimed Carers' Allowance in respect of them).

'Living alone' comes with its own set of variables besides the blatantly obvious;  eg if there is another person in the household who is receiving MR or HR care as well, the claimant is still treated as living on their own for SDP purposes.   If anyone needs more information on this, just ask  :-)

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 21 Sep 2012 09:09AM
Good morning,

Well - am i glad i talked to people on here about this and it all stemmed from reading about if i could get any help with my winter fuel bills!

First thing about ringing the DWP is that they say in their recorded message while asking you to hold on that they are less busy between 8am and 9am so best to ring then - obviously everyone does, so it tends to be their 'busiest' time  >doh<  However, i held on for 15 mins as i have another appointment today and also have to ring about rent etc later on, so thought i would try and get through which i did.

I can only say, they make it 'very difficult' to get what you may be entitled to (at least the person i spoke to did) so if anyone does ring them, the advice i've had from here certainly came in very useful as i was 'armed' so to speak...

I was told i'd been put on the Contribution based ESA as i didn't get Income Support top up on my Incapacity Benefit.  I then said it mentioned in the letter i could ask about if i could get Income based ESA (much waffle followed by the person i spoke to but i kept asking). I was asked if i lived alone and if i had any other money coming in?  I told them DLA at the low rates for care and mobility and the amount of savings i have which is 'well' below the limit, that was all.  I was told that i could indeed apply for Income Based which would be the same amount as i get now but that the fact i would still be getting Contribution based also would dominate (doesn't matter in my view as long as there is Income Related with it, it is a passport to other things which she confirmed!).  I was told i would be sent an ESA3 to fill in   :-)

I then asked if would be entitled to EDP if i then got Income Related ESA and i was told - yes!  I get 105-05 per week at the moment so if i can get EDP (which will remain to be seen) but that will mean an extra 14-80 (if that is the rate) on top and also i will no longer have to pay rent or council tax as i do now.  My prescriptions are due to low income anyway so that will continue but will be automatic.

I was told again that it said on my file i will be asked to fill in forms for my next assessmentfor ESA in 3 years time (second time i have been told this) so -  yet more forms to fill in but will be worth it if things work out and i shall let you know if they do.

Just wondering if i need another form also to claim EDP?

It just shows how reading this site has helped so very much and you are all   >star< >star< >star<

Fingers crossed as it will all no doubt take some time to sort out, and hopefully it will turn out ok, we shall see.  I can then phone about my fuel once it is sorted, if it is.

Thank you once again and anyone else in my position, please check about moving onto Income Related ESA as it hadn't even entered my head until what i was reading on here!!

With very many thanks,

Breeze.xx    :-)

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 21 Sep 2012 09:49AM
Just wondering if i need another form also to claim EDP?

Nope, the chap I spoke to from the Benefit Enquiry Line confirmed it was an automatic award for income-based ESA purposes iif you're in the Support Group - and it is indeed worth an extra 14.80 per week in addition to your ESA-C.  Well done for your persistence with the DWP call centre!

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 21 Sep 2012 10:00AM
Breeze,

 >bighugs< thank you so much for posting the information from your phone call.
I am glad you 'kept asking' and were not fobbed off by the person on the phone.
Anyone reading this thread will now have a much better idea of what questions to ask and how to ask eg using the phrase top up.

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 21 Sep 2012 12:03PM
You said you get prescriptions for being on a low income. You had to fill in a form each year I think? You don't need to do this if on income based E.S.A. You just show them your award letter. Actually, you may only need to put your national insurance number on the back of the prescription.

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 21 Sep 2012 05:07PM
I hope it does help people because i'm going to have to hand this over to my support worker next week as it's really knocked me about trying to sort this out.  The DWP helpline for people with disabilities have said if people look at the internet and their site they will probably end up very confused!  They have told me that once the ESA3 has been filled in then this will generate any other payments that can be awarded such as the EDP as Kizzy so rightly has said.

They also told me that you can only apply for Income related ESA 13 weeks after the Contribution based award has been made. 

My problem now seems to be a total lack of communication between the benefits people and my housing group who have been told i am already on Income related ESA and getting the EDP award too   >doh<  Hopefully this will get sorted out when my support worker comes next week as  frankly, i can't cope with it all now even though i have at least got something sorted but it's very hard indeed!

Phew!  I think i'll go and have a lie down before i fall down (7 times and get up 8 lol).  Thanks everybody and hope this thread helps others   >bighugs<
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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 21 Sep 2012 06:09PM
Is esp, only for high rate care component ? Or is it middle as well, just wondered as ive never heard of it either

Bubble, after a really tough day i just had to say thank you for making me smile.  I think if we did have ESP a lot of us on here would do a hell of a lot better   >biggrin<

As long as you are making sure you are on Income related ESA as well as Contribution based (ask for the ESA3 form from DWP to apply) you automatically get Enhanced Disabilty Payment (extra 14-80 a week or whatever it is) if you are in the support group and have few savings and are on your own.  Hope that helps   :-)

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 01 Oct 2012 10:58AM
Sorry, I'm being a bit confusednby everything. I have that I have an income related component on my award letter, and I'm in the Support Group. So could I get EDP? I have an extra component for being in the support group on my letter. I don't get any DLA.

I live with my parents.

Thanks, i find this very confusing!!!

Fizzbw x

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 01 Oct 2012 11:50AM
Not doing too good today and very, very tired but.....  Fizz, if you are on Income Based ESA and Contrbution Based also, and in the Support Group, you should automatically get EDP included but i'm not sure what difference it makes if you live with your parents as i know they ask if you live alone with regard to other income coming in, so don't know if that might affect things in your case - maybe someone might help with the info on that. You don't have to be in receipt of DLA either as far as i'm aware as i'm on the low rate for both mobility and care (i'm confused myself though now as a lot going on at the moment, sorry for any mistakes).  I'm sure others will put right anything i've missed.

Also, if anyone is on Contribution Based and want to apply for that to include Income Based (as i have) you don't have to wait 13 weeks as i previously said (that is only for new claimants).  You can apply at anytime and i have been told, the award for Income Based ESA as well, will be backdated to when you are first transferred from Incapacity to ESA Contribution Based which is my situation.

Please be prepared that the ESA 3 form is infact 50 pages long!   >yikes<

The disability helpline is useful and again if you want to check anything out their number as another poster i think put on earlier is...

0800 882 200 no personal information required, they will just answer any general questions that you have.

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 01 Oct 2012 01:36PM
Hi Fizzbw and Breeze - regarding Enhanced Disability Premium, it doesn't matter if you live with your parents as long as you are receiving income-based ESA.  The EDP should have been automatically added while the calculation of your ESA was taking place.  I know on the old Income Support award letters, the additional premiums are always separately listed, but I haven't actually set eyes on an ESA notification yet, so not sure if it includes the same detailed information. 

If ESA is your sole income and you're not having anything deducted for savings over 6000, you should be getting 119.85 per week in total.  This is made up of:

71.00 basic ESA
34.05 Support Group component
14.80 EDP


(Where the confusion might have come from as regards living with parents - there is the Severe Disability Premium which is paid to those who receive middle or higher rate care DLA and are defined as 'living alone', so that premium would be affected - but as you don't receive DLA it's not an issue).

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 01 Oct 2012 03:45PM
Hi Kizzy, thanks.

I'm getting 108 a week, on my award letter it says basic amount 60 something,
Then income related amount 99 minus 0.00 and then the support group component 30 something and then an extra amount so I don't loose money having moved from IB to ESA.

I've never filled in any income related forms though so wonder if I've not got an income related component after all? Im entitled to Given ESA is my sole income and I have very small savings.

Nothing else.

Fizzbw x

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 01 Oct 2012 04:49PM
Thanks Kizzy. Those figures are just the same as what i get at the moment.

You know Fizz you have to be careful and do have to check they are paying you the right money so might be worth you getting back to the people who sent you the letter to make sure you are getting the right amount as you should be getting an extra 14-80 Enhanced Disability Payment on top of what you get i would think, given you have been told you are on Income Related ESA, the extra 14-80 should automatically be added without you having to apply.

The DWP had sent my housing group the wrong information about my income!

Worth you checking back with the people who sent you the letter as mistakes can be made and you might not be getting the right amount so worth you asking i'd think.   :-)

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Re: Contribution Based ESA

  • on: 01 Oct 2012 06:38PM
Fizzbw - I just had a thought.  Are you under 25 years of age?  If that's the case, your basic ESA rate will be less, unfortunately - 56.25 per week.  The Support Component and the EDP remain the same, however, which would give you a total income of 105.10 (plus any 'transitional protection' you would get so that you're not worse off than you were with IB).

Breeze also has a good point about checking it with the DWP themselves as well - when new benefits like ESA are being implemented, more mistakes are likely to be made  >erm<